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1984 & A/S/K revisited
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited
April 9, 2013 at 3:20 am
(April 9, 2013 at 2:13 am)FallentoReason Wrote:
(April 9, 2013 at 2:09 am)Undeceived Wrote: So you are accusing Christians of rationalizing. Well, what do you call dreaming up reasons people might convert?

???

The "too long; didn't read" version of the OP would be this:

You're telling us that in order to experience God, we need to use a method that can equally be used to make someone believe whatever you desire. Based on this (whose justification went right over your head apparently) I call bullcrap on the whole "experiencing God" thing, just like I call bullcrap on the 1984 hypothetical that 2 + 2 is anything but 4.

There is no method of coming to faith in Christ, many different experiences are described by Christians, to some degree you need to know what your committing to. The rest comes as you experience God in a daily walk with Him. One could say you first come to Christ in faith and through faith will come belief and through belief comes knowledge and in this knowledge comes the wonderful relationship that goes beyond description.
By the way you did explain the way in which the anti-christ will fool the world, he will show many aspects of Christ with half truths and the world will believe 2+2=__.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 12:55 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 9, 2013 at 2:09 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 2:13 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 3:20 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 3:31 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Anomalocaris - April 10, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Drich - April 17, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 17, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 9, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 10, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 10, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 10, 2013 at 1:01 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 10, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 10, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 10, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 11, 2013 at 4:01 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 11, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 11, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 12, 2013 at 5:16 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2013 at 6:16 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 12, 2013 at 11:08 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 14, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 14, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - April 14, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 15, 2013 at 4:41 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 15, 2013 at 2:10 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 15, 2013 at 7:27 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 15, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 15, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 15, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Tonus - April 15, 2013 at 11:19 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 16, 2013 at 12:10 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 16, 2013 at 3:15 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 16, 2013 at 3:55 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 16, 2013 at 5:30 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Waratah - April 16, 2013 at 7:54 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 16, 2013 at 10:55 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Waratah - April 17, 2013 at 5:41 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 17, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 18, 2013 at 12:59 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Waratah - April 18, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 10, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 10, 2013 at 2:39 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 9, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 10, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - April 10, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 11, 2013 at 4:29 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - April 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2013 at 12:21 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by The Grand Nudger - April 10, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 11, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Darkstar - April 11, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 11, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Darkstar - April 11, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 11, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Darkstar - April 11, 2013 at 10:17 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 12, 2013 at 12:41 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by downbeatplumb - April 12, 2013 at 12:52 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 12, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 12, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 12, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by downbeatplumb - April 12, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 12, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Darkstar - April 12, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 12, 2013 at 10:57 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 13, 2013 at 3:17 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 13, 2013 at 3:57 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 13, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 13, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 13, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 14, 2013 at 5:57 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by downbeatplumb - April 14, 2013 at 5:31 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by downbeatplumb - April 13, 2013 at 5:19 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by ebg - April 12, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Tonus - April 13, 2013 at 7:12 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by downbeatplumb - April 13, 2013 at 11:35 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - April 13, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by downbeatplumb - April 14, 2013 at 6:15 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by downbeatplumb - April 14, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 14, 2013 at 10:52 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 12:09 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 17, 2013 at 12:55 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 1:41 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 17, 2013 at 4:40 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 17, 2013 at 10:28 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 10:33 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 17, 2013 at 11:18 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 11:32 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 17, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 17, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 18, 2013 at 7:42 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 9:45 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 18, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 7:00 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 19, 2013 at 12:15 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 19, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 19, 2013 at 2:48 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 18, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Waratah - April 19, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 19, 2013 at 1:29 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Waratah - April 19, 2013 at 3:27 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Tonus - April 19, 2013 at 6:43 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 19, 2013 at 8:43 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Waratah - April 19, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Waratah - April 17, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 18, 2013 at 8:42 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 18, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 18, 2013 at 11:54 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Brayton.l - April 19, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by downbeatplumb - April 19, 2013 at 11:34 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 22, 2013 at 2:35 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 22, 2013 at 5:03 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 22, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by downbeatplumb - April 22, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by The Grand Nudger - April 22, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 23, 2013 at 3:57 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 23, 2013 at 5:26 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by The Grand Nudger - April 23, 2013 at 9:12 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 23, 2013 at 9:32 am



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