(April 9, 2013 at 8:15 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Also Atheists acknowledge most things require a cause. That most things are effects. I really see it more of a case of special pleading of thinking existence is not an effect, then thinking it is an effect. But that's just me.
You: Everything practically requires a cause except existence.
Me: Everything requires a cause and is an effect.
Which one is special pleading?
Yes everything as in the Creator too, who must be his own constant cause.
Ofcourse everything that pertains to that existence (like motion, time of it, how it forms objects etc) needs a cause from Atheist stand point, it's just it's very existence doesn't, but of course it's the Theists who are special pleading.
The start of everything is in question. After that most things are both causes and effects. Including "existence". The word I would apply is "Homeostasis".
