RE: God's God
April 9, 2013 at 2:22 pm
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2013 at 2:26 pm by Ryantology.)
(April 9, 2013 at 12:49 am)Godschild Wrote: I've never stated I could prove God to you, as I've said before that is God's work. My knowledge of Him comes through a relational experience and I've never said otherwise.
If you cannot prove, or even demonstrate the possession, of your knowledge to another person, it is not knowledge. It is your very own personal delusion, seeded with information you have absorbed living in a country which has already exposed you, for years, to the idea of the god you worship.
Your claim is confirmation bias until you can show otherwise.
You'll have to show evidence that a person has had an experience, like yours, without ever previously having the slightest cultural awareness of the Christian god if you want to demonstrate that such an experience is what you claim it is, and you're going to have to show evidence that a lot of people have had experiences like yours without ever previously having had the slightest cultural awareness of the Christian god if you want to show that one isn't just a weird fluke. Note: if you find a person who makes that claim, the claim has to be demonstrably true. Testimony proves nothing.
GC Wrote:My experience is not subjective, it's an objective relevant experience and for Christians it's proven outside of our heads, just because you do not want to accept our real experiences does not nullify them in the least.
If it is proven outside of your heads, then you can prove it to us beyond our ability to doubt it. If not, then it is not objective.
GC Wrote:Why they found nothing I do not know, maybe they did not like what they saw, could be the were scared of what they saw, that's if they went far enough to see God. What could be the real problem is they put faith in a book and not the Author of life that brought the Bible into existence.
Maybe the real problem is that there's no god to find.
Quote:By the way what requirement did Christians make up, Christianity is a relationship between God and man, God made this relationship possible, so the requirements would be His not man's.Until you can demonstrate that your specific God certainly exists, then appealing to God is an invalid argument.
GC Wrote:Proving God exist to you is not a requirement for me to have a relationship with Him. It is you allowing God to prove Himself to you that is required for you to have a relationship with Him.
That is certainly true, you can hold your delusions for whatever reasons you want. Proving God's existence to me is a requirement for me to take you seriously, and if you're not engaged in this debate with the hopes of my (or other atheists) taking you seriously, what the hell are you doing?
GC Wrote:First off I'm not preaching, whether you believe me or not is not relevant to God's existence. I do not know what kind of chance there is for a nonbeliever to come to Christ, only God knows that. God says that there is always a chance as long as He strives with a person, and Christ said to go, so I do because I've chosen this as my life and it's not stupid. When God shows up with His angels it will be to late for those who have rejected Him. If He does show up with His angels in your life time it will be your pants that will be full of .... and that my friend is not meant to be funny.
It is preaching. It is the same message, repeated endlessly, that all it takes to prove the existence of God is to assume he exists and nurture that into a steadfast refusal to accept any evidence to the contrary.
You have to remember, to us, you're just one kind of crazy among dozens of major kinds of crazy and thousands of less visible kinds of crazy. We look at muslims who insist they can prove the existence of Allah, hindu who are firmly convinced that Vishnu is the Supreme Being, and so on, and every last one of those claims is exactly as demonstrably true as your claim about your god. It's not even really a matter of proving that you're right and your God exists, you also have to prove that all those other gods do not. Can you?