1984 & A/S/K revisited

[Godscreated]

Does not what I say result in direct experience, the answer would be yes, just trying to help. Since the results are the same I see no problem in using my statement, or does this pose a problem for your argument.

I just find it too generalized of a statement. That's why I said I'm dealing just with A/S/K here because that way we can analyze a particular beast.

Looking back at your statement, I guess I do have something to comment on.

There is no method of coming to faith in Christ, many different experiences are described by Christians, to some degree you need to know what your committing to. The rest comes as you experience God in a daily walk with Him. One could say you first come to Christ in faith and through faith will come belief and through belief comes knowledge and in this knowledge comes the wonderful relationship that goes beyond description.

Faith -> belief -> knowledge. I find that order to be a problem that is parallel to the OP. Why not knowledge -> belief -> faith? E.g. I come to know that a chair is made up of sturdy parts. This knowledge allows me to form a belief that it can hold someone's weight, therefore, I will put my faith into it that when I sit on it, it won't collapse under my weight. I sit on it and, viola, it doesn't collapse. My entire thought process lead to a justified application of faith.

To take your order of F/B/K into a scientific exercise of discovery would be an invalid procedure, would it not. Wouldn't you replace faith with assumption, belief with theory and then well knowledge is knowledge, so you would have A/T/K. Sound reasonable.

No, you seem to suggest that I first have to put faith into it... right so I'll put myself out there from the word "go", sit on it, and hope for the best. It doesn't break under my weight... "ah!", I come to believe it's designed to hold my body weight. I can then inspect it and obtain the knowledge that it's made of sturdy parts. My wanting to put faith in it first was completely unjustified, a leap of faith for no apparent reason.

Why is it reasonable to apply your order of faith -> belief -> knowledge when it seems like it's rather silly for anything else we have faith on?

You are applying your thought process to an known object, so your process of thought works.
God is the unknown to all at first, some of us see something we like about God if He exists, so we decide to have faith in God and what He is offering. We begin to follow up by reading scripture and through this we begin to learn, that is as long as we trust God and ask for His revelation of Himself, and we must do this with an open mind, this is where so many trip themselves up. When God reveals things about Himself that go against our preconceived ideas we must give them up and except God's truth, in doing this we come to belief. Through this belief we continue to ask and explore coming to the larger understanding of who God is, in other words we will come to knowledge of God. This is the point I have contention with those who say they knew God and then turned away. This is the point one sees God in a way that is inspiring, joyful, wonderful, exciting and ect. You know God and could never deny Him at this point. This is why the elect will not see the 2+2=5 of the anti-christ, instead we already know the 2+2=4 of God and thus reject all that comes against the truth of God. There will be one ruling anti-christ, but Christians understand as scripture tells us there will be many anti-christ ie. the world.

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2+2=5 is not logical and has nothing to do with faith, it is wrong from our experience of math.

Believing that a burning bush can talk to you is wrong from our experience with immolating shrubbery, but that doesn't stop you. If the Bible said 2+2=5 you'd be here on this very forum trying to tell us that you just know 2+2=5 because God divinely revealed this truth to you and if we poor atheists would only open our hearts to God, we would also know that 2+2=5.

Wrong, wrong, you mean to tell me you do not believe a bush can burn. The Bible will not teach those things that are false, God divinely reveals truth not lies, all you're trying to do is discredit Christianity with a bunch of nonsense that you know want hold water.