Sign in Quran

[remy]

If mountains reach the sky why would it have been impossible for them to climb into the sky in the 7th century, or at least high enough for them to feel some effect? Also you said the quran describes things how a 7th century person would understand, but now you're claiming a 7th century person wouldn't understand this metaphor, so would they or would they not understand? It seems strange that you claim they couldn't have known this, so then how would the metaphor have been understood?

Yes I might have said quran describes things based on 7th century understanding, they understand the constricted feeling, they know what is sky but they wouldn't understand that it's the sign of losing ability to inhale more oxygen because they wouldn't know what oxygen is. That's what I mean that it has to be revealed based on the understandable terms.

But where do I claim that they wouldn't understand this metaphor, because my question was why a 'climbing into the sky' while it should just simply say 'climbing higher'.

I don't think a single man would go from being in a mountain then run to the desert and tell muhammad about the effects he had just felt but information doesn't need to pass directly from one person to another, people in rome knew that england existed in ancient times but it would have been from established knowledge and learning rather than one man running to england then running back again and saying hey englands over that way. I just personally find it hard to believe that for 5000 years or whatever before muhammad no one ever climbed a mountain and reported feeling difficulty breathing.

okay, let us just say we couldn't provide any factual evidence if this is just some usual knowledge of that century..

Just let me make it clear again that I don't enjoy debunking the quran but this isn't even debunking the quran. I don't believe the quran has even set out to establish that this knowledge is miraculous, it seems simple to me that this is a clear metaphor actually designed so people would understand it. Its describing how god puts belief into people who he wants and he constricts the chest of those who he doesn't want as if they were climbing high, its actually spoken as if people DO already know about it. Rather then saying hey this book is definitely made by god because we know about how its difficult for humans to breath when they get near the sky.

I am sorry if i am saying you are b4. I just wanna know about your opinion regarding some 'vague' verse. I am actually not claiming anything miraculous either. Because miracle is usually defined as something magical.

If muhammad had ever seen snakes birds and dogs then verse 24 45 isnt miraculous either.

Explanation. I just want to hear your opinion. And how about verse 25:54.

From out of the blue, instead of blood or soil why water?