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1984 & A/S/K revisited
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited
April 10, 2013 at 12:57 pm
(April 9, 2013 at 12:55 am)FallentoReason Wrote: #1) My senses can't detect God talking to me
#2) I'm being told A/S/K works though
#3) I'm certain God isn't talking to me according to my senses
#4) In order to effectively A/S/K, I need to ignore my senses
#5) God is there

Not big fan of A/S/K myself, since I'm not convinced that its about requesting the Holy Spirit in order to be converted. I think its more about asking to receive the gifts of the Holy Spirit after accepting Jesus, as in: "Lord I believe, help me in my disbelief!"

Anyway, back to your OP argument. I think it's pretty good. I see premises 1 and 4 as problematic, as follows:

Premise 1 assumes that God communicates to the believer as sensible speech, i.e. an inner voice. God has many means of communication available to Him: visionary experience, compelling intuition, reason, scriptural revelation, contemplation of nature, or usually some combination of the above.

Premise 4 calls on the person to ignore their senses in order to find God. This follows from taking premise 1 as a given. However, since multiple channels are available to God and some of these come to us by means of the senses, then 4 is not a precondition for arriving at your conclusion, 5.
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1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 12:55 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 9, 2013 at 2:09 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 2:13 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 3:20 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 3:31 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Anomalocaris - April 10, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Drich - April 17, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 17, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 9, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 10, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 10, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 10, 2013 at 1:01 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 10, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 10, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 10, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 11, 2013 at 4:01 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 11, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 11, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 12, 2013 at 5:16 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2013 at 6:16 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 12, 2013 at 11:08 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 14, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 14, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - April 14, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 15, 2013 at 4:41 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 15, 2013 at 2:10 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 15, 2013 at 12:46 pm
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 15, 2013 at 11:48 pm
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 18, 2013 at 12:59 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 10, 2013 at 1:12 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - April 10, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 11, 2013 at 4:29 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 8:19 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 14, 2013 at 10:52 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 12:09 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by The Grand Nudger - April 23, 2013 at 9:12 am
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