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Where is your evidence that something can't come from nothing, when you have no 'nothing' to examine in which something could derive?

Wow! You really are dense. Where did I say the physical universe came out of nothing? The whole point of the cosmological argument is that ‘nothing comes out of nothing’. The physical universe is a something that comes out of another something, just something not bound by the rules of physics.

LOL. Calling me dense doesn't do shit to help your case there tough guy - neither does it answer the question that has been before you (regarding demonstrating your alleged deity thing). But now you have another task before you. Please demonstrate how there can be anything "not bound by the rules of physics". What makes you so sure you fully understand all these "rules" and that any interpretation other than yours is unsound? You act as if you have some great knowledge beyond our current local universe, that it's just impossible that things came to be the way we now experience them w/out some cosmic disembodied "personal" mind.

Btw, nice dodge! I'll ask it again. How do you know something can't come from nothing when you have no 'nothing' to examine from which something could derive?

No you just ignored it an kept on repeating refutations you read somewhere without bothering to consider whether or not they applied to the claims being made.

NOPE. Another lie.

You're Zeno's paradox was already dealt with, back then and now.

I’m sure even you recognize that you just made an argument from authority.

NOPE. I just said I wasn't going to deal with it at the time b/c it was already responded to. Read more. It helps.

The mental mathematical process of thinking about abstract infinities has no bearing on the possibility of an infinity.

So you think people should not use mathematics in the pursuit of knowledge. Queer position for a person that claims to have reason on their side.

The only thing 'queer' here is your perpetual intellectual dishonesty - the willingness to misrepresent what I stated in an attempt to make your case easier (straw man fallacy). Nice try though.

Not so. I presented a counter-factual. The premise in question is true because its opposite produces paradoxical results that defy logic. In order to maintain your refutation of the cosmological argument, you must hold two contradictory beliefs.

LOL. "Defy logic" eh? That's your assertion but it wasn't demonstrated by your premises. Merely saying they "defy logic" doesn't cut it - nor does attempting a version of Zeno's paradox which has no bearing of whether an actual infinity (whatever that means) can exist. "Paradox" does not equal (and is not in any way equivalent to) "illogical". AT BEST, you have a place where you ought to be admitting ignorance on the subject.

Moreover, you just admitted that you do not know what an [is] ‘actual infinity’ which means you really didn’t understand what you were reading. That makes you just another new atheist blowhard.

You haven't demonstrated that you know what an "actual infinity" is either, just like you haven't demonstrated your alleged deity in any coherent way. Sorry, the "blowing hard" is all yours.

Actually, my presentation of the cosmological argument has nothing to to with inserting entities into an area of unknown. Quite the opposite. [I never mentioned God].

LOL. Really? So a "non-contingent immaterial agent" (your words) is not an "unknown" eh? LOL. Please...Come back when you have something more than just word games and obfuscation.

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