1984 & A/S/K revisited

[Godscreated]

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To take your order of F/B/K into a scientific exercise of discovery would be an invalid procedure, would it not. Wouldn't you replace faith with assumption, belief with theory and then well knowledge is knowledge, so you would have A/T/K. Sound reasonable.

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No, you still have the order backwards. Knowledge -> belief -> faith: knowledge allows me to write up an hypothesis (belief), which can then be tested and the results will allow me to produce a theory which I will put my justified faith on. This is exactly what I explained using the chair example.

Before I start to answer your statements I want to say this, Undeceived stated and I should have the beginning of faith comes from God, by the Holy Spirit, referred to as being called by the Father, so faith doesn't even begin with us, it originates with God.

I do not have it backwards where God is concerned, nor do you have it wrong where known things exist. To start with knowledge you are starting with some things known. When you start with faith you start with the unknown, concerning God even the faith is unknown at the start. If one has knowledge of something then why do you end up in faith, to me that is not logical.

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You are applying your thought process to an known object, so your process of thought works.
God is the unknown to all at first, some of us see something we like about God if He exists, so we decide to have faith in God and what He is offering. We begin to follow up by reading scripture and through this we begin to learn, that is as long as we trust God and ask for His revelation of Himself, and we must do this with an open mind, this is where so many trip themselves up. When God reveals things about Himself that go against our preconceived ideas we must give them up and except God's truth, in doing this we come to belief. Through this belief we continue to ask and explore coming to the larger understanding of who God is, in other words we will come to knowledge of God. This is the point I have contention with those who say they knew God and then turned away. This is the point one sees God in a way that is inspiring, joyful, wonderful, exciting and ect. You know God and could never deny Him at this point. This is why the elect will not see the 2+2=5 of the anti-christ, instead we already know the 2+2=4 of God and thus reject all that comes against the truth of God. There will be one ruling anti-christ, but Christians understand as scripture tells us there will be many anti-christ ie. the world.

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Great, so I have to first a) believe in God so that I can then b) believe in God...

I did not say that, it's not even suggested in my statement, so tell me why did you reply as if I had. I believe you are trying to bring confusion into this conversation. Did I not say F/B/K, why did you jump over faith, the whole F/B/K starts and ends with God, it's up to us to accept. God gives us these gifts it's whether we accept them or not as to hoe deep we go in the relationship wit God.

Why did you put unjustified faith into Bible god instead of Qu'ran god? You're still assuming the framework of faith -> belief -> knowledge will give you the "truth", and I say "truth" with 66 99 because we can input whatever we desire into it and you will come out believing it. That's the thrust of this entire thread -- that your methods are equivalent to those used by someone wanting to start a cult.

Again my faith was not unjustified, it began with God, It was given to me as it's given to all as my starting point. It was up to me to act upon the faith given me, I could have rejected it at this point, in my case I did not, many do, then belief comes through revelation from God and I believe most through the scriptures, at this point people will still reject God, for some reason they choose not to believe. Then comes knowledge through the belief in the relationship one has with God, and this knowledge leads to an awesome relationship in the knowledge of God. This is the point I arrived at many years ago and because I've experienced this, with an open mind by the way, I can not understand how it's possible to reject God. Having this knowledge of God is as I said before where I have contention with those who say they have come to this point and rejected God. I personally can not understand how one could get the point of knowledge and still reject God.
As far as the 66 99 you purpose I can see that, and can accept it as why many leave God at the points of faith and belief, but not when one comes to the knowledge of God.
Why haven't I accepted other gods, none of them have ever given me the Faith to get started with.