RE: Kalam Cosmological Nonsense
April 11, 2013 at 5:46 pm
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2013 at 5:56 pm by median.)
(April 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: That’s not a very nice thing to say. I’m willing to forgive you for calling me a liar and an asshole so we can have a civil discussion. Besides why does it matter if I do or do not have a hidden agenda? It has no bearing on the issue at hand.
Your participation has "no bearing" in this discussion? LOL. I guees if you say so...
No, a hidden agenda (i.e. - a form of dishonesty) demonstrates at least two things; 1. that you are willing to engage in intellectual dishonesty in order to prop up a failing position, and 2.
that you don't really care whether or not your beliefs are actually true. It is a clear sign that you aren't interested in rational discourse (and/or attempting to come to a better knowledge of reality). You just want to believe, what you want to believe, b/c you want to believe.
So the question goes to YOU. Why are YOU engaging in this discussion if don't really care whether your beliefs are true? If you deny the premise of the question, then please demonstrate it's opposite by getting honest with yourself and others. Stop with the hidden agenda, and hidden reasons for belief, and start admitting when you don't know things. If you can't demonstrate the deity you claim to believe in (presumably Yahweh of the OT), then admit it. If you don't have good reason for the belief that some disembodied mind created our universe, admit it. And if your actual reason for believing the bible (in some form) is not these arguments you keep attempting, then stop giving them and provide the real reason. That will get you much further here than obfuscating will.