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1984 & A/S/K revisited
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited
April 11, 2013 at 10:12 pm
(April 11, 2013 at 6:21 pm)Darkstar Wrote:
(April 11, 2013 at 6:05 pm)Undeceived Wrote: With the Holy Spirit, repentant people learn the Message of Christ, while unrepentant people (who would reject it anyway) are left in the dark. Yes, there is a suspicious division. But God has always allowed unbelievers a "way out" of learning His mystery. In OT times, demons were more active, and so were the number of fake "gods". People (like half the Hebrews) could choose to follow another divinity. Today, unbelievers decide to follow presupposed science religiously. They are mirror images of each other. But the truth remains.
This cannot possibly be true. How is it that people who accept Jesus, and only give up on him much later when they can't find him, well...can't find him? If he had revealed himself once they accepted him, they would not have turned away. Unless you are going to propose that we should blindly believe anyway.

The word 'accept' here is hard to pin down. I don't think either of us can know that someone who was truly repentant didn't find God.

(April 11, 2013 at 6:21 pm)Darkstar Wrote: That, and your comment about science is poorly informed. What is presupposed, exactly? That science works? Well...it does. Otherwise we wouldn't be on this forum.

Sorry for my vagueness. By 'presupposed' I mean science that uses certain outside beliefs as its premises. For example, Evolution is not a conclusion based on a mass of undeniable evidence. Evolutionists presuppose Evolution and work the evidence to match it. If you're thinking, "That's what Christians do!" you're right. My point is that much of science is like a religion. When a Naturalist says "prove to me the supernatural exists" they are presupposing Empiricism, and that everyone outside of their camp bears the burden of proof. And so on.
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1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 12:55 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 9, 2013 at 2:09 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 2:13 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 3:20 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 3:31 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Anomalocaris - April 10, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Drich - April 17, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 17, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 9, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 9, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 10, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 10, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 10, 2013 at 1:01 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 10, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 10, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 10, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 11, 2013 at 4:01 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 11, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 11, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 12, 2013 at 5:16 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2013 at 6:16 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 12, 2013 at 11:08 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 14, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 14, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - April 14, 2013 at 11:22 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 15, 2013 at 4:41 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 15, 2013 at 2:10 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 15, 2013 at 7:27 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 15, 2013 at 12:46 pm
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 15, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Tonus - April 15, 2013 at 11:19 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 16, 2013 at 12:10 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 16, 2013 at 3:55 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 16, 2013 at 10:55 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Waratah - April 17, 2013 at 5:41 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 18, 2013 at 12:59 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Waratah - April 18, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 10, 2013 at 1:12 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 9, 2013 at 7:23 pm
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - April 10, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 11, 2013 at 4:29 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 12, 2013 at 12:21 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by The Grand Nudger - April 10, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 11, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Darkstar - April 11, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 11, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Darkstar - April 11, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 11, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Darkstar - April 11, 2013 at 10:17 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 12, 2013 at 12:41 pm
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Darkstar - April 12, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 12, 2013 at 10:57 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 13, 2013 at 3:17 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 13, 2013 at 1:44 pm
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Undeceived - April 13, 2013 at 4:41 pm
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Tonus - April 13, 2013 at 7:12 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by downbeatplumb - April 14, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 14, 2013 at 10:52 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 12:09 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 1:41 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by FallentoReason - April 17, 2013 at 11:32 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Ryantology - April 17, 2013 at 3:25 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 17, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 18, 2013 at 7:42 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 18, 2013 at 2:22 pm
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 19, 2013 at 1:29 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Tonus - April 19, 2013 at 6:43 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Waratah - April 17, 2013 at 9:14 pm
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Brayton.l - April 19, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by downbeatplumb - April 19, 2013 at 11:34 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 22, 2013 at 2:35 am
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 22, 2013 at 1:03 pm
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RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by The Grand Nudger - April 22, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Godschild - April 23, 2013 at 3:57 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by Esquilax - April 23, 2013 at 5:26 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by The Grand Nudger - April 23, 2013 at 9:12 am
RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited - by pocaracas - April 23, 2013 at 9:32 am



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