(April 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(April 11, 2013 at 4:29 am)FallentoReason Wrote: My objection up to this point would be that the line is now being blurred between experiencing God and "experiencing" God. Literally experiencing him (as I talked about in the OP) could arguably be said to have little room for ambiguity in the believer's mind i.e. they're pretty much convinced that what their senses picked up was in fact God.I would not discount the fact that religion is a least partly experiencial. I practice a number of meditative disciplines: compassion, non-duality, mindfulness, contemplative, and the path of negation. Each of these cultivates within the practitioner a receptive metal state that improves with practice, allowing a better understanding of their own inner life. It isn't all that much different from the study in any other discipline in art or science. A deeper and more fuller understanding of your own consciousness brings you closer to the origin of that consciousness.
I still have the same problem here, and that is that God hasn't had to move one inch in the entire process. It is still you that is taking on 100% of the task to find him, but without a definite experience, for all we know, you've delved deep into the jaws of a delusional construct i.e. the Bible in this instance. I mean, think about it from a cult leader's perspective: they construct their god and give it attributes and what not. Then as long as it is the cult member finding strength within themselves to reach a non-existent being, the cult will be successful in keeping that member. The false truths of the cult are doing their job in keeping the cult member in darkness all the while they think they have found the light.
Quote:Or at least so it seems. Could it be a delusion? Possibly. That position requires a radical skepticism that denies the evidence of the senses, the brain being, in its own way, the most important sense organ.
Are you saying that to be skeptical of your self-created experiences, you need to deny your senses? Without a genuine experience from God though, for all we know you're in a delusional state just like [insert desired false religion].
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle