RE: When do we cross the line from 'animal' to 'person?'
April 15, 2013 at 9:44 am
(This post was last modified: April 15, 2013 at 10:11 am by Little Rik.)
(April 13, 2013 at 7:17 am)Tonus Wrote:(April 13, 2013 at 5:45 am)enrico Wrote: I tried to go well behind this physical reality.
But once you go beyond this physical reality, you enter whichever realm you'd like to enter, with whichever rules you'd like it to have. I get the impression that anytime a theist is confounded by a lack of physical proof, he turns to the 'non-physical' or 'immaterial' to maintain his belief system. But I don't think that they define this in any consistent way. Once you go beyond the observable and provable, you are entering the fanciful. And it turns out to be custom-tailored. Imagine that!
The problem with being too materialistic is that it make you believe that body, mind and spirit are all one thing.
It is like when you travel in your car and you feel uniqueness.
The car respond to you command so that make you believe that you and the car are one and the same.
Atheism has being created in order to counter the religious dogmas, but as Marx created communism to counter capitalism he created an other dogma (false truth).
Atheism is a dogma just because is based on materialism which in no way can go over his border and penetrate the higher stratum of intellect and distinguish between the body and the mind (vehicle and driver).
So in this way i am sure that you will find very hard to understand the meaning of going over the PHYSICAL REALTY.

Quote:Esquilax.................unless you can actually demonstrate this soul thing, or the method you've described for what god does with it, then all you've done is make an assertion. Anyone can do that, it doesn't make a word of what you've said true.
In previous post i already gave examples how the maggots can not come on rotting flesh unless the flies drop the eggs on it or the land can not grow any vegetation unless the seeds are put in there.
So in the same way a creature can not be born unless someone put it in a particular body.
The body can only give the nourishment to help in the growth and that is all it can do.
If you keep on confusing the body with the essence of the creature then you will never understand how all the system works.
In the previous post i just explain how easy is to make uniqueness in pretending that the driver and the vehicle are one and the same.
Quote:And this "beyond physical reality" stuff is just a cheat so you're not held accountable to standards of evidence, and unfortunately for you most of us here simply won't buy it.
I already answer in previous post.
Quote:Gotta love that "according to me," part though; I expect it would be much easier on you if you can dictate the terms of the entire argument beforehand, slanting them in your favor, but that's not how this works either.
It is a free discussion that is why anybody can come in and say whatever you want.
It is then up to you to counter the point if you feel you are able to do so or to say something interesting.