RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited
April 17, 2013 at 5:20 pm
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2013 at 5:37 pm by Godscreated.)
(April 17, 2013 at 5:41 am)Waratah Wrote:(April 16, 2013 at 10:55 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Not really sure how you cannot see how I came to that conclusion.
As soon as you put a condition on the use of free will it is NOT free will anymore. Even if you are in agreeance with the condition, free will is gone.
This is what you said
Quote:The knowledge of God's existence does not contravene God given free will, I did not say it did, what I said was when Christ returns your free will is gone, no more, vanished, taken away and ect. This is the price of rejection people will pay, there's no free ride in life why would you believe there would be with God.
The condition in this case is accepting god. "... price of rejection people will pay..."
If you have the ability to laugh at yourself, you maybe now rolling on the floor. Let us hope it is aat least.
There is no condition in what I stated, you are wanting to see something that's not there to make your argument valid in your own mind. You have free will till you die or Christ returns, which ever comes first.
Actually there is nothing to laugh about, it's sad when people ignore God's truth.
(April 17, 2013 at 9:07 am)Ryantology Wrote:(April 17, 2013 at 4:40 am)Godschild Wrote: When I came to Christ my free will was and is intact, I still have the free will to reject Him.
As my point is that using (not having) 'free will' is sinful, I guess I'm forced to ask the question a third time.
Ok, here it is, if I did not exercise my free will and choose Christ as my savior I would remain lost in my sin. However I exercised my free will and accepted Christ into my life as Lord and Savior, thus with repentance I'm freed of my sins. Now you on the other hand still live in guilt and I see that as a sad condition in anyone's life. You wanted it so I gave you the answer, if it upsets you blame yourself.
(April 17, 2013 at 10:28 am)Esquilax Wrote:(April 17, 2013 at 4:40 am)Godschild Wrote: When I came to Christ my free will was and is intact, I still have the free will to reject Him.
But in your system this free will is a choice with a gun leveled at your head. You have the choice to not be a christian, that's true; but if you're not, you're going to get punished. It's not a legitimate choice because not all options are equal, the thing is hugely weighted toward a single option to the exclusion of all others. That's the problem.
Please show me the biblical proof of what you've stated, books, chapters and verses please, I need to study those so I can see where my error is, thanks.
(April 17, 2013 at 10:33 am)Ryantology Wrote: The Christian concept of free will is a rapist holding a knife to your throat and giving you the option to scream. It would seem that the Christian idea that the rapist loves you developed as both a coping mechanism for the victims and good PR for the rapist.
When did God hold a knife to my throat, I must have missed that, please show me with biblical support how this happened without me knowing, books, chapters and verses please, I need to study this.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
