RE: 1984 & A/S/K revisited
April 18, 2013 at 7:42 am
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2013 at 8:31 am by Godscreated.)
(April 17, 2013 at 6:01 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Let me see if I get this straight, GC...
You get the info from other people that there is a divine entity which is invisible, untouchable and, basically, has no measurable physical interaction with our world, but it's out there, somewhere. Those other people also tell you that this entity does interact with our world through people's emotions, feelings and whatnot...
You take this information about this entity, accept it as trustworthy and proceed to confirm this information with a book the same people present to you.
Your mind then accepts the existence of the entity as real and proceeds to interpret some of your "emotions, feelings and whatnot" as an interaction of this entity within you.
You then proceed to let us know about this entity, in the hopes, I guess, that we find that information trustworthy, and go through the same process you went through...
Did I miss something?
I must have, because I fail to see where the entity showed to you that it is real...
It doesn't seem to present itself to human beings through a means other than previous suggestion induced by other human beings... and knowing that the human mind can fool itself using this mechanism, we assume you are under this very mental mechanism of self-delusion.
I'll go with post #93.
(April 17, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Ryan Wrote:And now you're freed of thinking for yourself, because now you just have to do whatever you think God tells you to do.
I listen to God, yes, and try and live a life pleasing to Him, which I do poorly. Jesus said, "You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free." Having the God who created the universe to guide my life beats anything the world can teach.
GC Wrote:
Ryan Wrote:You're suggesting I live in guilt for breaking a law handed down by a being I regard as entirely fictional? I feel guilt when I do wrong to actual, real people. I don't feel guilt when my actions offend a fictional character. Do you even possess the capacity to understand that, or are you pathologically incapable of grasping a worldview that isn't saturated in your ridiculous fairytales?
Whether you believe in Him or not does not dismiss His authority. Some criminals who break the law believe the law is irrelevant, this does not mean the law is dismissed or the authority behind the law. I have my worldview, just because it does not match yours does not mean it's invalid. In actuality it seems I'm the one who comprehends reality.
GC Wrote:
Ryan Wrote:You go on and on about salvation and being saved and I won't give you a serious answer to such a disingenuous query. You can play stupid, but that game isn't multiplayer.
Prove I'm disingenuous in my salvation or even to my claim to be saved.
You're the one who said God held a knife to my throat, I asked you to get off your lazy butt and prove it through the only place you could possibly find the proof, scripture, you're the one who made it multi-player by accusation.
(April 17, 2013 at 9:14 pm)Waratah Wrote: Let us focus on what you said godschild, all of it not just part of it.
Quote:The knowledge of God's existence does not contravene God given free will, I did not say it did, what I said was when Christ returns your free will is gone, no more, vanished, taken away and ect. This is the price of rejection people will pay, there's no free ride in life why would you believe there would be with God.
You have stated quite clearly and consistently that when christ returns you will lose free will. I accept and understand that is what you have said.
Directly after saying that you stated the reason for the loss of free will is due to 'rejection of god'. So far you continue to just ignore this part. Why?
I can easily accept the when you die part you lose free will. Can you please tell me the reason for losing free will when christ returns if it is not because of the rejection of god as you have stated before?
When Christ returns the time for repentance for those who have rejected Christ is over, the ones who want the physical proof will have it, however it want count for much except they get their proof. Remember that scripture teaches salvation comes through faith not proof.
If the knowledge of God is what confuses you in what I've said let me explain. Salvation comes through faith, after this one can come into a belief of God through scripture and prayer, after this one can come to a knowledge of who God is through His revelation whether in scripture or a life situation or direct revelation. Knowledge of God comes after salvation, some times many years, it depends upon the persons desire. I hope this answers your question.
(April 18, 2013 at 12:59 am)Esquilax Wrote:(April 17, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: Please show me the biblical proof of what you've stated, books, chapters and verses please, I need to study those so I can see where my error is, thanks.
Don't be pathetic, GC. I'm not going to play into your bullshit here, you know what I'm talking about, but even if I did decide to bend over backwards for you, do you really thing this head in the sand idiocy would stand for more than a single post? Stop delaying and address the fucking point.
When you get rid of the bull in your replies you might find I'll give you answers. God does not hold a gun to anyone's head.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
