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Jesus
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RE: Jesus
(April 18, 2013 at 10:39 am)enrico Wrote: A lot has been written about this person.
The church choose mainly the reports of four apostles,

46 gospels not 4 plus the Sibylline oracles. Why there are now only four is unrecorded.

Quote:those who sanctify him while disregard the reports of all the rest and deny as well that Jesus was married with Mary Magdalene.

As to 'sanctify him' you are going to have to define that as it does not make a lick of sense.

As to being married, who gives a rat's ass? It would change nothing. If he was not married it is incredible there is no mention of it and an explanation as to why not. Matter of fact in those days he might have had a grandchild or two. Anyway no mention of unmarried means he was married. You recall there is no mention of anyone but Pilate being married in the gospels. It is irrational to conclude the absence of mention is significant in this one case and only in this one case.

Quote:But this to me is not even the most interesting part of Jesus life.
What interest me was the fact that nothing is written about his life between the age of 13 and the age of 30 in the church reports.
What did he do and where did he go?

On the assumption he actually existed as a person, which is quite a leap after reading the epistles and certainly the claim he performed magic, then the simplest explanation is he was at home raising his children.

Quote:According to other reports Jesus during that time left Palestine and went around the world from the middle east, Persia the indian subcontinent then back in Persia and Greece.

There are only myths. There are no credible reports. There is nothing even worthy of the name report in this matter. Factually only military expeditions would have traveled as far as Persia and India. Merchants traveled short distances along trade routes. But your fancy requires him to have earned a living while traveling so what did he do? Hint: there was no such thing as a traveling carpenter.

Quote:There is evidence in Orissa and other places about his travelling and his stay in several hashram (places where people meditate or learn meditation).

If you are talking stories and local traditions that is not evidence. If you claim evidence it can only be physical evidence. Please produce it. If you do want to claim stories are evidence then you have to produce 2000 year old records which show the mention of a visit existed at the time it happened.

As to both, there is none.

Quote:But why the church keep silence about all this?

Frankly that is an incredibly dumb question given there is no evidence in support of your nonsense.

Quote:According to me the church could and can not make us pretend that Jesus is God if we know that he went around learning about spirituality here and there.

Now you are indulging in another aspect of believer crap. Just what does "learn about spirituality" mean? Define spirituality. Answer only by including references from the gospels. Frankly most everything he is supposed to have said is simply gibberish.

Quote:God does not have to learn anything from anyone so it was and still is important that nobody know about his travelling and his learning things.

Raising the whole god issue goes far beyond and is different from anything you have said so far.

Quote:Interesting thing is that one wing of the Vatican library is close to the public. My guess is that in this wing you can find the forbidden report about his whole life.

Considering the Vatican and its library did not come into existence until centuries after these events your conspiracy theory has to explain why such material was not well known before the Vatican came into existence. Further the first organization which might be considered the forerunner of the "church" was founded in Byzantium in the early 4th c. AD any such conspiracy theory has to start there. Rome was a backwater nothing until the Renaissance. Byzantium did not lose dominance until it was surrounded by Islam.

You are clearly inventing a conspiracy out of ignorance of history.

Quote:One more interesting thing is the fact that according to the church one can not be save unless believe in Jesus.
When i asked a priest how the people who born before Jesus could be saved he said..........well, God will have mercy and they may be saved.

Christianity began as a doomsday cult and much of it still is but that is not the point. The entire idea of saving was invented after believers had to face the fact they needed something to keep the donations flowing when people started leaving for the world not ending. Augustine was the greatest contributor to keeping the cash flowing when he tortured the Eden story until it admitted original sin.
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Jesus - by Little Rik - April 18, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Jesus - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: Jesus - by Nine - April 18, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Jesus - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Jesus - by JesusHChrist - April 18, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: Jesus - by Drich - April 18, 2013 at 11:08 am
RE: Jesus - by Minimalist - April 18, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RE: Jesus - by JesusHChrist - April 18, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: Jesus - by Tonus - April 18, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Jesus - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: Jesus - by Drich - April 18, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RE: Jesus - by Esquilax - April 18, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: Jesus - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 3:41 am
RE: Jesus - by Drich - April 19, 2013 at 11:52 am
RE: Jesus - by thesummerqueen - April 18, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 1:12 pm
RE: Jesus - by Faith No More - April 18, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: Jesus - by JesusHChrist - April 18, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Jesus - by thesummerqueen - April 18, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Jesus - by peacemaker - April 18, 2013 at 2:25 pm
RE: Jesus - by Free Thinker - April 19, 2013 at 3:48 am
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 2:20 pm
RE: Jesus - by Faith No More - April 18, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: Jesus - by thesummerqueen - April 18, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: Jesus - by Tonus - April 18, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Jesus - by Minimalist - April 18, 2013 at 2:57 pm
RE: Jesus - by JesusHChrist - April 18, 2013 at 3:05 pm
RE: Jesus - by peacemaker - April 18, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: Jesus - by LastPoet - April 18, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Jesus - by JesusHChrist - April 18, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: Jesus - by Cyberman - April 18, 2013 at 7:56 pm
RE: Jesus - by Darwinian - April 19, 2013 at 3:29 am
RE: Jesus - by peacemaker - April 18, 2013 at 6:09 pm
RE: Jesus - by JesusHChrist - April 18, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Re: RE: Jesus - by frz - April 18, 2013 at 7:03 pm
RE: Jesus - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Re: RE: Jesus - by frz - April 18, 2013 at 8:52 pm
RE: Jesus - by Tonus - April 18, 2013 at 8:53 pm
RE: Jesus - by Cato - April 19, 2013 at 12:33 pm
RE: Jesus - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 8:03 am
RE: Jesus - by Cyberman - April 19, 2013 at 8:20 am
RE: Jesus - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Jesus - by Drich - April 19, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: Jesus - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: Jesus - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RE: Jesus - by thesummerqueen - April 19, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: Jesus - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Jesus - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: Jesus - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 8:16 pm
RE: Jesus - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 8:26 pm
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: Jesus - by Minimalist - April 20, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 20, 2013 at 8:49 am
RE: Jesus - by Little Rik - April 20, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 20, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Jesus - by The Grand Nudger - April 20, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: Jesus - by Little Rik - April 20, 2013 at 10:56 am
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 20, 2013 at 11:15 am
RE: Jesus - by Free Thinker - April 20, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 20, 2013 at 2:49 pm
RE: Jesus - by The Grand Nudger - April 20, 2013 at 11:11 am
RE: Jesus - by The Grand Nudger - April 20, 2013 at 11:30 am
RE: Jesus - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 20, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: Jesus - by The Grand Nudger - April 20, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RE: Jesus - by Minimalist - April 20, 2013 at 2:01 pm

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