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Show me your proof
RE: Show me your proof
(April 20, 2013 at 6:39 pm)Tex Wrote:
(April 19, 2013 at 9:29 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: You said

If God is Existence, creation isn't such a difficult thing. Just like you and I can make a table from trees, God can make a tree from his own omnipotence.

1) The IF is not established.
2) I exist. God is existence. I am both existence and god. You are posting gibberish.
3) There is no evidence that trees existed prior to their evolution. Can but did not means it is only your speculation which is of no interest.

Your gibberish sucks.

1) Sorry about that, let me give you the reasoning here. I am, so I "participate in Being". I'm not the only thing in existence, so I participate in "Being" along with many other things. Since I participate in Being, I am not Being. However, Being is. If Being was not, I would not be able to participate in Being, and therefore would not be.

At this point we use the Euthyphro dilemma. Is God dependent on Being or is Being a creation of God? Well, if God was dependent on Being, he's not omnipotent and not God. If God made being, God had to exist to do that. Instead, just like with the Good, God is Being. He himself is uncaused and eternally existent.

2) You "participate in Being/Existence".

3) I'm not saying that trees existed prior to evolution. I'm saying God could, hypothetically, poof them into existence. I believe in evolution. The question that the whole "Being" thing addresses is, "Where did matter/energy come from in the first place?".



Lets see
1- WE exist - and since you consider existence as being EVERYTHING that exists - then you a part of the existence. THe problem with your claim about a god is two fold -
First - none has ever been proven to exist -
Second - to claim a god had to exist to do something might be true - but you have not established that a god did anything

Gods are nothing more than FICTIONAL characters created by humans for use in ancient religious Myths and Legends - there have been thousands so far named - and none have ever been established to have any reality beyond fiction.

2 - Yes - we are all part of what exists - in life and in death.

3 - Your question - where did matter/energy come from in the first place - iis the old theist claim that everything had to have an origin - except of course for your god. Since YOU make an exception for your god - then you must understand that it is possible that something has ALWAYS existed - ie - matter and energy. AS far as a god "poofing" anything into existence - in a fictional story - you can have your god poof - in reality they do not exist to do it.
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Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 4:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Darwinian - April 7, 2013 at 5:04 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 7, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 7, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Minimalist - April 8, 2013 at 2:27 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 8, 2013 at 5:36 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mister Agenda - April 8, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 11:15 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 11:18 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 1:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 9, 2013 at 2:05 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mister Agenda - April 9, 2013 at 9:35 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Faith No More - April 9, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 6:00 am
RE: Show me your proof - by paulpablo - April 7, 2013 at 7:09 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 7, 2013 at 8:23 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 7, 2013 at 9:05 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:25 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 7, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 8, 2013 at 4:27 am
RE: Show me your proof - by archangle - April 8, 2013 at 8:00 am
RE: Show me your proof - by paulpablo - April 7, 2013 at 5:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 7, 2013 at 5:15 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 7, 2013 at 5:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 7:22 am
RE: Show me your proof - by popeyespappy - April 7, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 12:33 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by radorth - April 13, 2013 at 12:50 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 13, 2013 at 4:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by archangle - April 13, 2013 at 6:58 am
RE: Show me your proof - by FallentoReason - April 16, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mononoke - April 7, 2013 at 5:33 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Kayenneh - April 7, 2013 at 6:02 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 7, 2013 at 7:39 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 7:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Kayenneh - April 7, 2013 at 7:50 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:21 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 9:24 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:29 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 9:40 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 7, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 8, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 8, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Darkstar - April 8, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 8, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 9:27 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Zen Badger - April 7, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:59 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 7, 2013 at 9:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Jackalope - April 8, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 8:06 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:37 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 8:53 am
RE: Show me your proof - by My imaginary friend is GOD - April 7, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 7, 2013 at 9:28 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 7, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 7, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 7, 2013 at 10:36 am
RE: Show me your proof - by CleanShavenJesus - April 7, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by paulpablo - April 7, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Whateverist - April 7, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by ThomM - April 7, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Re: RE: Show me your proof - by frz - April 8, 2013 at 12:34 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 8, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 1:37 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 8, 2013 at 1:36 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Cato - April 8, 2013 at 2:09 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mr_Dew7 - April 8, 2013 at 2:24 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Whateverist - April 8, 2013 at 10:02 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 8, 2013 at 1:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 8, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by KichigaiNeko - April 8, 2013 at 4:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2013 at 7:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by CleanShavenJesus - April 8, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Darwinian - April 8, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: Show me your proof - by thesummerqueen - April 8, 2013 at 9:53 am
Re: Show me your proof - by frz - April 8, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by downbeatplumb - April 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 9, 2013 at 1:39 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by archangle - April 9, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 1:59 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by MysticKnight - April 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 1:48 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 2:51 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 9, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Godschild - April 9, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fidel_Castronaut - April 10, 2013 at 9:49 am
RE: Show me your proof - by ThomM - April 11, 2013 at 9:51 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 12, 2013 at 1:03 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 13, 2013 at 12:35 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 10, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 10, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 10, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 10, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fidel_Castronaut - April 9, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Fruity - April 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Baalzebutt - April 9, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 14, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2013 at 4:21 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 14, 2013 at 4:58 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 14, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 14, 2013 at 9:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by radorth - April 16, 2013 at 9:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 3:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 14, 2013 at 10:28 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Mystical - April 17, 2013 at 4:00 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 5:06 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 17, 2013 at 5:41 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 17, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 17, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 1:13 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 18, 2013 at 2:44 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 6:52 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 11:37 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 19, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 19, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 20, 2013 at 6:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 23, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 2:17 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 18, 2013 at 3:46 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 10:54 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 18, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 18, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 18, 2013 at 7:15 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 18, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by downbeatplumb - April 19, 2013 at 12:13 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 18, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 18, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 18, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - April 18, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 10:14 am
Re: Show me your proof - by NoraBrimstone - April 19, 2013 at 5:27 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by pocaracas - April 19, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 19, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 19, 2013 at 9:29 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 20, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by ThomM - April 21, 2013 at 1:21 am
RE: Show me your proof - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 21, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 9:18 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Gearbreak - April 20, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 23, 2013 at 11:36 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 11:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Silver - April 23, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 24, 2013 at 12:10 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 24, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 24, 2013 at 12:09 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 23, 2013 at 11:54 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 24, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 24, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 24, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Esquilax - April 24, 2013 at 10:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 4:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by smax - April 25, 2013 at 3:19 am
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: Show me your proof - by purplepurpose - April 24, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - April 24, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Tonus - April 24, 2013 at 1:03 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by purplepurpose - April 24, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by The Grand Nudger - April 24, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Bad Wolf - May 11, 2013 at 11:14 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 2:07 am
RE: Show me your proof - by Bad Wolf - May 12, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 9:57 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - May 12, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Show me your proof - by catfish - May 12, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by Cyberman - May 12, 2013 at 9:41 pm
RE: Show me your proof - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 1:43 am

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