A challenge about women and marriage in Islam

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In a perfect world every single person would be judged according to his or hers abilities, not age. But we don't live in a perfect world and the line has to be drawn somewhere, to protect those who can't protect themselves from e.g. the preying vulture of a pedophile. Though it might be unfair towards the wholesome individuals who are cleverer and more sensible than some adults, it's the majority, the childish ones, who benefit from this.

In the current world, every single person is judged according to his or her abilities... or rather: peoples interpretations OF those. Unfortunately, they supplement this with ageism, racism, sexism, religionism... none of which are based on the person, but upon a group they believe to exist as a single archetype. I'm not asking for a perfect world... but for the people who make ageist arguments to understand that it is precisely the same kind of arguments you can make about race, sex, religion, etc.

There doesn't have to be a moralist line drawn *anywhere*. The reality is this: it's economical in our current system to have people join the workforce in predictable batches. Pedophiles exist, and pedophilia in and of itself harms nobody. A pedophile who cares that the younger person also cares about them, the younger person themselves desiring to fuck an older person... no problems for anyone. Thing I'm trying to drive home here is this: abusive relationships are not so because of -who- belongs to that relationship... but of the actions undertaken by the parties within that relationship. I don't care if it's a relationship between a black man and a white lady, between a woman another woman and a mexican man, between a child and the elderly, between a retard and a genius... I care if everyone involved wants the relationship, and isn't being abused by the other parties.

It's unfair towards everyone, since some of your population is restricted from the rights of the other population... whether or not it's benefiting anyone, it remains an unfair system... and certainly an unequal system. Just like that which peeps of colour had, women had... all of them people, some of them restricted from the rights granted to others. If we're going to be speciesist enough to eat very clear persons (pigs, for instance), we might as well not be segregatory within our own populace for non-actional attributes of humans

Yeah, I get your point. And that could be a whole another thread, 'Why so picky?'.

Got me... I know I'm not

Education dearest, education. First in the class room, then in bed. E.g. (because this is totally legit anecdotal proof!) due to me getting really good sex ed, I waited until I was almost 18 and had a blast my first time

Education is your answer? You mean... the thing which humans were largely without until the age of enlightenment, and even then... only for the richer children?

Also.. you think they give *good* sexual education, even now? In america, you're more likely to be fed abstinence than to learn much useful about the *enjoyment* side of sex. Education, I find, is best found in experience

But it seems to be unfair that some that would have survived as 20-year-olds giving birth had to die at the age of 9. And though it might be considered an evolutionary process, it's actually more imposed on them by culture than evolution.

Hey now... I am not advocating that they get pregnant. We're a lovely modern society (meaning we have condoms). But I am saying that the reason they *can* still get pregnant at that age... is because enough of them have, and survived it. In the past, and this is cultural, a lot of girls started to be considered able to bear children as soon as they experienced menstruation. Our current understanding of how long people live (~80 years) is not that of times long ago, where you were very lucky indeed to survive into your 40s.

Evolution isn't a kind, or fair process. It is what occurs through the hellhole mass of death and birth that is nature, in a chaotic scenario where the strong tend to survive, and only the lucky will make it.