(April 30, 2013 at 2:24 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:(April 29, 2013 at 10:16 am)Severan Wrote: Your god tells you to accept his existence through a book, and your ancestors;No, in Islam we accept Quran because it has many proofs inside it to show that it is from God
We don't follow our ancestors!
Quote: he also tells you to not ask questions.On the contrary, islam promotes & invented the scientific research for the modern ear
Quote:How can you know for sure that he exists?I gave you a proof that no one was able to refute!
Quote:Also, I could make up any god and make it fit the description of your proof.You mean to name it differently, Yes
I just proved a Model of God not his name
the second part (which I'll write) is to prove Islam itself.
Stay tuned
(April 29, 2013 at 5:44 am)pocaracas Wrote: oh, FFS...I think the proof needs an update (for idiots only)
time, time is not on your side!!!
-If time has a start, you cannot say anything about causation prior to time's existence. Cause and effect requires time... your G=0 is the best answer.... instead, since you want G to be non-zero, you try to define another kind of time, name it p, and say it attests for the dynamic nature of G... what does dynamic mean, here? -.-'
-If time doesn't have a start, then your proof crumbles away.
It all stems from your faulty definition of time as a series of finite events...
There, your "proof" is refuted. enjoy.
The proof is talking about events not time (We actually don't know exactly what is time)
So I proved that events had a start (first event)
That first event must have a starter (which is beyond and outside the universe)
It is that simple, don't confuse yourself with time or cause and effect.
WTF! That does not make any sense at all!
Time is relative to the space you occupy. Please leave science to the professionals.
Also, in Quantum fluctuation. Something from nothing has been proven. You do not need a starter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation
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