(April 27, 2013 at 3:39 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:(April 23, 2013 at 9:14 am)Sansbury Wrote: So is the argument essentially: 'everything had a beginning and so something must've caused it that is greater than everything, therefore this must be god'?Not very accurate
...or am I oversimplifying?
A First event must have existed
Events cannot happen by itself
A Starter for events must exist
The Starter must be self sufficient
The Starter is outside the Universe/creation
The Starter is Unique
The Starter is not similar to anything we know (or imagine)
These are the conclusions, and the premises is just the disjoint theory.
You've not won me over and I'm sure you'll tell me that I don't understand but here's why. To say that this starting event must be outside of the universe isn't axiomatic. The nature of the physics in play at that start is so mysterious that our understanding is nowhere near advanced enough to draw conclusions. Stripping it down to a simple sequence of events is far too closed minded.
Even if that is the case, the force outside of the universe could be anything. Assuming it to be a god is jaded.