A request to fr0d0 to elaborate

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That certainly is the case.

But do they exist? Prolly not.

EvF

All things exist as ideas... otherwise I could not convey the glorious FSM in language and expect you to understand what it is. Is the FSM physically manifest in this universe? I see no more reason for the FSM's physical form than I see for the tooth fairy's... and I don't see why either should exist physically at all ... just as I can't see any reason why there is not a blade of grass in Brazil that grants immortality to whoever chews it.

Do they exist? Possibly. The universe (and possibly things beyond it...) is a massive place with a lot of randomness... it is entirely possible that the FSM, Tooth Fairy, and Magik Blade of Grass all exist. It also depends on how we define them... are we defining them with contradictory terms or not? If so, then they could only exist outside of where logic works (if anything can do so?)... but how could we know anything about that which exists outside of logic?

After all... we have evidence that things can exist outside of logic (in the form of religion especially)... why should logic be any different than the tooth fairy or wether a door really is concealed inside a wall?

Are we likely to ever encounter them? I don't think so. Why not? The universe is apparently massive, and we are very small It's like holding up a blimp, placing two bacteria on either end, and expecting them to find each other... except our odds of encountering them is far worse

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I have absolutely no idea how to take the second sentence, please rephrase?

I'm talking biblical observations of God

You have to know everything to 'pinpoint?' existence...? I don't know everything about cars... does the car that ran me over not exist?

You accept the car 'is' without knowing everything about it ...interesting

But you 'know' that car exists as a 'whole' because you've seen it. If you didn't know about a car you'd just have the evidence of tyre tracks and the weight of their impression. What could you conclude? ...well existence of a physical entity with the properties of weight and it's distribution.

Less than this would you be able to ascertain existence? Trying to be honest people have concluded that God just 'is'.

I accept that China 'is', without ever having even seen a picture of it I witness the effect of China's existence around me every day... so I conclude that it is likely that China (or something similar, if there is a MASSIVE conspiracy) exists

Just like I accept that 'God' exists... I see the effect of belief in 'God' every day... and so I conclude that it is likely that people really do believe in 'God' I myself think he is just an idea... but I realize that he exists as that idea.

People who conclude that 'God' just 'is' don't understand 'God'. Gravity 'is'... and we have quite a bit of understanding as to how it works, why it works, in what way it works, what it is in itself, etc. People didn't used to understand gravity past the idea that 'if it goes up, it comes back down'. But now we understand exactly what we are talking about... and so we have given that force a name to identify it. That is why we name things after all... to identify what the hell we are talking about in a word (or in few words [Words, which are simply lingual devices to convey ideas]).

If you believe in 'God', then you believe it works in some way or another. If you didn't... then you would hold an equivalent belief in 'God' as you do in 'Uxgogulorphazhucie'. If you do indeed hold an equivalent 'belief' in them... it is in the belief that it is random gibberish that applies to nothing

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*sighs*

And you guys gave kudos for that!

Of course, It was funny... and it made sense