Conflicting statements in the bible

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How do you know it’d be perceived as supernatural? Are you suggesting that people traveled back in time to Biblical times and used modern technology to perform miracles?

Well..That all depends on what attributes you claim your has. Please list any possible attributes that such a being would require, and i'd be happy to explain why it's not consistant with what we know about the universe. (example: Creation Ex Niliho, Omniscient, Omnipotent...)

I do not have to list any possible attributes, scripture is quite clear about what attributes God possesses and I do not see how any of them are inconsistent with the Universe.

The scripture is not clear on anything. Obviously. There wouldn't be professions all over the world dedicated to decyphering its cryptic messages in an attempt to fit it to modern science. At any rate, I understand why you would dodge this one. It's probably safer.

Indeed, step on up to the plate and lets discuss the errors with God(s) with respect to scientific knowledge.

Is our scientific knowledge infallible?

Of course! Look at Newtonian physics compared to Relativity. But, it's a heck of a lot more than anything offered by Christianity, and even the flimsiest of scientific theories are verifiable and falsifiable. That's the point of science!

Opinions do not prove anything, but I am sure you knew that.

agreed.

Ryantology asserted they’re lies, not me.

Unfalsifiable Claims is more accurate.

You’ve examined all Toyota cars? That’s a lot of cars.

Don't have to, the qualifying criteria is established from the manufacturer (funny thing about falsifiable claims...evidence) As long as mine meets the criteria, its a Toyota. I just need to know what my car would need to have in order to qualify as a Toyota.

3) My car was created at a Toyota assembley plant (logically follows)

Sure, but how do you know all Toyota cars that have this sticker indeed were created at a plant? Are you taking the word of Toyota on that one?

This has been established. Imagine your response to what I'm about to say for what Biology qualifies as life, and then imagine whether or not you could have equal and far less complicated to verify criteria for what Toyota would accept as one of their creations. Keep in mind, the creator isn't what we're arguing for here, only that it was created and that a logical argument can be made for a car that was created, but not for a creator of the universe. This is just me having fun at this point by showing you that things can be logically justified as being created, and that such things can even be logically attributed to a specific creator among many possible ones. We're eons past the God hypothesis at this point.

I am not sure how you know that all Toyota cars indeed have this sticker, and that all Toyota cars that have this sticker indeed got this sticker from the plant. It seems to me you’re merely taking Toyota’s word on this one.

Not so. With understanding and knowledge of what qualifies as a Toyota, this is not an issue. Are you pretending to ignore this or do you take money they give you just hoping its not counterfeit?

Again, talk to Ryantology on that one, I was directly quoting his terminology. Is logic Universal and immutable?

Nah, I'm talking to you. I've seen already how you can misunderstand and distort what is written, I have no interest in distractions. Yes. Logical Absolutes are universal and immutable apart from any subjective experience. Something either is or is-not. Can't be both at the same time in the same way.

Is there experienced knowledge that life naturally arises from non-life? What about experienced knowledge that non-rational events can give rise to rational minds? What about experienced knowledge that all life on Earth comes from a single common ancestor? Please follow your own rules.

This is the part that makes me actually feel bad for you. It's the very reason that modern science should not be stripped from schools. People grow up living in a shroud of ignorance and label it knowledge. Since the 50's there have been hundreds of successful experiments that have produced the building blocks of life from that which had no life. Amino acids and protiens have been created using non living matter. This isn't even news breaking information, but you think you've delivered a death blow to our concepts. It's just sad. All that exists in the universe is matter and energy. That's it. Matter can and HAS been transformed from non-liviing matter to living matter. Look up Abiogenesis. Have you ever taken a Biology class? Do you understand how common this knowledge is among people that search for answers instead of just taking the stupid ones handed out at church?

How do you know they are eating utensils? How do you know they are not merely eroded pieces of wood? Simply calling something a valid inference does not make it so.

Ha ha ha ha...This had to be my favorite stupid thing you just wrote. Of course simply saying it is doesn't make it so. that's the problem with religion and God theories! But, combined with my knowledge of things that come out of the ground that are removed in their original state, and my knowledge of FORKS, if I pulled this from the ground at an excavation, it would be perfectly valid to infer it WAS A FORK AND IT WAS NOT REMOVED FROM ITS NATURAL STATE! Lol...YOU MORON!!! LOL!!!

The universe we have without a God is precisely the universe we could expect to not have a God.

How do you know what a Godless universe should look like?

Exactly like this! Since there's no reason to believe otherwise you idiot! LOL, if you wish to suggest otherwise, you'll need something intelligent to say, rather than trying to get me to argue with myself. Welcome to the burden of proof. It's gonna be a shitty ride for you. [/quote]

How do you know you can trust your ability to reason inductively and deductively?

You continue to ask questions that a 12th grade philosophy student would already understand. You need a library card and access to Google. Damn kid.

A hypothesis must be falsifiable to identify a possible outcome of an experiment that conflicts with predictions deduced from the hypothesis; otherwise, it cannot be meaningfully tested or rationally accepted.

How can you falsify the hypothesis that “all meaningful hypotheses must be falsifiable”? Or is that claim itself not meaningful?

Of course it's falsifiable idiot! If you can come up with a good one that has any validity whatsoever and yet is STILL UNFALSIFIABLE then you have proved it falsifiable. But again, its an assumption that drives our science. An assumption with continued consistant results. It's not wrong because I can't prove it wrong. Its not wrong because of its tested success and results! THATS WHY GOD FAILS, IT HAS NO RESULTS!

It’s a valid qualifier. Can you give me an example of someone experiencing life arising from non-life in Nature?

You poor idiot. Yes... 150 years of Abiogenesis. Jesus, do you have access to a library? What school district do you live in? It's sad.

The existence of websites that deal with reconciling Biblical contradictions? Google them.

You have heard of Google...huh, didn't see that coming. Anyway...(clears throat)..No thanks. Your proof of the existance of God is...wait for it...CIRCULAR LOGIC!!! What a fucking surprise. God is real because we made sense of it to ourselves in The Bible!!! Lol..WOW.

How is any of this relevant to websites dealing with alleged Bible contradictions?

Because all of illustrates what a huge waste of time reading The Bible in the first place actually is. You need to spend less time reading that stupid shit and more time reading science jourals. It's depressing. I hope you're not American, we don't need anymore people making people think we don't educate our children.

God is not something you reason to, God is something you reason from.

Nothing could be further from any logical statement. You have given no reason to support any kind of God as even plausible and yet you suggest it should be the foundation of reason? That makes absolutely zero sense, and it seems like you're years away from realizing it.