The illusion of free will

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I get what you are saying but I disagree with you.

Well then, that would make you nondeterministic, leaving free will probable.

If you consider the multi-verse theory being that there are parallel universes with an alternate version of ourselves based on us making slightly different choices in one of the other universe then it calls into question weather we would always make identical decisions based on our circumstances being exactly the same.

An 'alternate version' of yourself is necessarily modified: their location is not the same, therefore their IDENTITY is not the same. They can do a thing without you also doing said thing, you are not equal beings.

YOU will ALWAYS make an identical decision in an identical situation. THEY, who are NOT YOU, will always make an identical decision in an identical situation, but it will not have been your decision.

Welcome to determinism, and gross an understanding of identity

You may think this is refuting my point on free will but rather I am saying that this concept of complete free will is false.

You never made a point on free will, as I was clear to note. You made annotation or twenty of identity, and would do well to not confuse the two.

Further, there are varying concepts of 'complete free will', and having freedom of identity (formulation) is not the same as having freedom of will (decision), the latter of which is grounded upon a being's mind or, as is often argued, spirit.

That does not mean to say that we can make choices that would be considered unlikely of a person who has been brought up in a bad environment for example.

Missing the 't on 'can', yes?

Whether a 'choice' is considered unlikely for a being to make or not has no bearing upon whether it is, or is not, made.

Instead I'm emphasising the fact that there is often a pattern to people's behaviour and it isn't simply an exercise of ultimate choice.

"There's often a pattern to people's behavior"? That means that sometimes there is no pattern to people's behavior. Sounds like a broken rule, you might want to remake it.

Also when you add factors we inherit from birth then it makes free will seem a lot less likely. I believe that people are born gay. The evidence does seem to point towards this. Homosexuality even occurs among animals at a rate of about 10%. We know that mental illness can be passed down from parent to child. Someone with a mental health problem certainly doesn't experience full control over their decisions all the time.

Stop confusing identity and the will of the being

I believe that whether or not people are born gay is irrelevant to their being gay as an adult. Just as having mental illnesses passed to you is irrelevant to your experiencing them as an adult. I swear, people are more fussy over where a state of someone comes from than of what that state means... I don't care if someone is born with terrorism in their heart: I care if they're intending to inflict it upon mine

Someone with a mental health problem always experiences full control over their decisions all the time... but it may not be conscious control over their decisions. This is considering the whole of their being, and not their mind or spirit separate from this... not sure what you believe, not sure that it matters.

I never claimed to be a genius so don't make a remark that suggests I value myself as being above others in intelligence. Maybe If I accomplish something worthy of that status I'll make that claim but I despise people who shamelessly appoint such titles upon themselves without merit.

Learn to sarcasm This response ^ is just hilarious considering what set it off. Who's 'shamelessly appointing' themselves as a genius?

Of course there will be people that disagree with what I'm saying and there's not much I can do other than to explain my point.

I should think there would be. Wouldn't it be just great if you were to explain your point, or indeed inform us of what it is?

Certainly a religious person is going to maintain that God has a plan for them and there life isn't just a random collection of events. From that perspective I can't really change their minds. That's the same with any devout religious person.

Or... one can observe that even a being with a plan for you and your life has given you free will, and allowed you a choice to follow that plan or not.

Cool huh? It's always the same with these anti-religious persons, you just can't change their minds with reason

Satan is a cool guy btw

I rather thought he was a dick, and his daddy a giant prick.

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Biological processes in body, thoughts all being controlled by something. Not Us atleast we are like driver in a car, we didn't build this car we don't control its processes, we just drive, clean, give it fuel. Really strange relations. For me its like the one who experience everything driver is chaotic, crazy, destructive at times, but body is perfect biological machine that is here to hold user online.

That's an interesting way to say "I'm a violent crazy person with no restraint."

I'll try to remember it if I ever rape someone