(May 6, 2013 at 2:09 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:(May 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Since it is beyond doubt that Adam is definitely a mythical character, as we know that humans evolved from lower primates over millions of years, then it follows that Islam is obviously a lie.Evolution is the biggest lie human made
I can refute evolution easily.
(May 5, 2013 at 2:25 pm)Sansbury Wrote: So you accept that all you think you have proved is that the initiation of the universe was triggered by something unique, beyond our understanding and seperate to the universe.Yes
Quote:I think religion is better off relying on the concept of faith than attempting to prove gods existence.Islam doesn't depend on blind faith
Faith in Islam means to follow what is already proved.
(May 5, 2013 at 8:31 am)paulpablo Wrote: I don't know that god can't turn himself into a creature while at the same time as being outside of the universe because I don't have a definition of what god is, there is no one definition of what god is.You are again mixing science with Logic
If we use the scientific or logical terms we are aware of now then yes we can say god cannot be in two places at the same time, but then when you use this line of logic why not question also how god can be outside of the laws of the universe and effect the laws within the universe, the floods the impregnating of virgins and so on.
And there simply is no logical definition of god.
And also why can god not be a creature and remain eternal at the same time and basically be there and here at the same time?
If god can create a soul and blow that into a human to make a human why not make a man with no soul and blow a piece of the holy spirit into the human body? I can just basically make up any old jibber jabber and say its true because there is no logical definition to god, what god is, how many gods there has to be or what he can do.
Let's say that this proof is for only who accept that disjoint is impossible
in other words for people who accept that their definition of language terms is valid i.e. sane people
Because this can only be violated during hallucination!
Any proof is only applicable if there is an agreed premises to start with.
I though about that many times, the only thing that most people can agree on is this concept (the disjoint)
What is disjoint? What is the premises that I would have to agree with in order for you to prove to me gods existence?
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