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I'm an atheist...
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RE: I'm an atheist...
Q isn't a condition for P, it is the result of P. That is the difference.

If P => Q and Q => P you have a circular argument. Either both are true from the outset, or both are false from the outset. You can't have P (false) => Q (true) as you could before, because if Q is true, P is true (since you claim Q is a neccessary condition of P).

Going back to your example, you are confusing things yet again. You said "Q is a neccessary condition to affirm P", yet your example to show this is and example of P => Q, not Q => P. You said you can't say that if you throw the ball, it didn't fall (an example of P => Q).

However, you can easily have a ball falling (Q) without P. For instance, if R is dropping a ball. R => Q.

So, we can demonstrate a logical contradiction:

P = Throwing a ball.
R = Dropping a ball.
Q = The ball falls.

P => Q
Q => P
R => Q

P is false (we're not throwing the ball). If R then Q (this is true since R => Q). If Q then P (taken from Q => P). Yet P is false and Q is true, and true => false isn't a case of Q => P.

Q.E.D
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I'm an atheist... - by Sudekai - November 30, 2009 at 3:16 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by leo-rcc - November 30, 2009 at 3:25 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Edwardo Piet - November 30, 2009 at 3:27 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by fr0d0 - November 30, 2009 at 3:31 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Darwinian - November 30, 2009 at 3:41 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Purple Rabbit - November 30, 2009 at 5:11 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Purple Rabbit - November 30, 2009 at 3:33 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Edwardo Piet - November 30, 2009 at 3:46 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by mrjack - November 30, 2009 at 3:41 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by fr0d0 - November 30, 2009 at 4:00 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Edwardo Piet - November 30, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Amphora - November 30, 2009 at 4:44 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by fr0d0 - November 30, 2009 at 5:19 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Purple Rabbit - November 30, 2009 at 5:38 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Edwardo Piet - November 30, 2009 at 5:22 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Rhage - November 30, 2009 at 7:20 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Autumnlicious - November 30, 2009 at 7:39 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Joe Bloe - December 1, 2009 at 3:06 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Violet - December 1, 2009 at 3:24 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Autumnlicious - December 2, 2009 at 12:41 am
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Joe Bloe - December 2, 2009 at 1:03 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 2:59 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Autumnlicious - December 2, 2009 at 1:50 pm
RE: I'm an atheist... - by macskeptic - December 3, 2009 at 5:01 am
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Tiberius - December 3, 2009 at 6:06 am
RE: I'm an atheist... - by macskeptic - December 3, 2009 at 6:17 am
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Tiberius - December 3, 2009 at 6:27 am
RE: I'm an atheist... - by macskeptic - December 3, 2009 at 6:31 am
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Tiberius - December 3, 2009 at 6:41 am
RE: I'm an atheist... - by macskeptic - December 3, 2009 at 6:49 am
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Tiberius - December 3, 2009 at 7:11 am
RE: I'm an atheist... - by macskeptic - December 3, 2009 at 7:21 am
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Tiberius - December 3, 2009 at 7:30 am
RE: I'm an atheist... - by Joe Bloe - December 4, 2009 at 3:39 pm



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