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Atheism Undermines Knowledge
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge
(May 8, 2013 at 10:48 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(May 8, 2013 at 10:32 pm)Ryantology Wrote: ...if their chosen God is the creator of this physical universe, why is there no physical evidence that their particular God created it?
Yawn. You need some new material. Only a cock-leper like you would demand physical evidence for a non-physical being.
Silly atheist, god doesn't leave physical evidence! He doesn't prove he exists, let alone when someone asks him to!

1 Kings 18:36-39
New International Version (NIV)
36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”

38 Then the fire of the Lord fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, “The Lord—he is God! The Lord—he is God!”
No fair; why doesn't this stuff happen nowadays? Undecided
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 1:51 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Minimalist - May 3, 2013 at 1:53 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 3, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 3, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by paulpablo - May 3, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 3, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 3, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 4:58 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 3, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 3, 2013 at 6:49 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 3, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 3, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 3, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 3, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Gooders1002 - May 3, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Whateverist - May 3, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by paulpablo - May 3, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by paulpablo - May 3, 2013 at 5:02 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 6, 2013 at 12:18 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Gearbreak - May 3, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by paulpablo - May 4, 2013 at 12:28 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 3, 2013 at 7:22 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 4, 2013 at 6:20 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ergates - May 3, 2013 at 9:06 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 3, 2013 at 11:53 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 4, 2013 at 12:07 am
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 4, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - May 4, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 4, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 4, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 4, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by paulpablo - May 4, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 4, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 4, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 4, 2013 at 7:02 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 5, 2013 at 4:15 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 5, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 4, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Cato - May 4, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by DeistPaladin - May 6, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 5, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 5, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 5, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by ideologue08 - May 5, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 5, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 5, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 6, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - May 6, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 6, 2013 at 8:29 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Cato - May 8, 2013 at 1:25 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by justin - May 5, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by frz - May 5, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 6, 2013 at 2:34 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 6, 2013 at 7:06 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - May 6, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 6, 2013 at 9:04 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 6, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 6, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 6, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 6, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 6, 2013 at 9:50 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 6, 2013 at 9:56 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 6, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 6, 2013 at 3:27 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by MysticKnight - May 6, 2013 at 11:47 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by MysticKnight - May 6, 2013 at 12:06 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 6, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 6, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 7, 2013 at 1:39 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 6, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 7, 2013 at 2:57 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 7, 2013 at 3:55 am
Re: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by frz - May 7, 2013 at 9:52 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 7, 2013 at 11:51 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Whateverist - May 7, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 7, 2013 at 2:12 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 8, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 7, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 7, 2013 at 3:32 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 7, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 13, 2013 at 1:54 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 7, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 7, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 7, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 7, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 7, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 7, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Silver - May 7, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by sevenofnine - May 8, 2013 at 1:21 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - May 8, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 8, 2013 at 3:15 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Silver - May 8, 2013 at 3:19 am
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 8, 2013 at 3:21 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Silver - May 8, 2013 at 3:27 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 8:36 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Whateverist - May 8, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 12:58 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Whateverist - May 8, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 9, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 8, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 8, 2013 at 3:27 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 8, 2013 at 4:07 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 8, 2013 at 4:35 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 8, 2013 at 5:22 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 8, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 8, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 8, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 10:48 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Darkstar - May 8, 2013 at 10:56 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 8, 2013 at 10:59 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Darkstar - May 8, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 9, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by KichigaiNeko - May 8, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Creed of Heresy - May 8, 2013 at 10:13 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by KichigaiNeko - May 8, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 8, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Creed of Heresy - May 8, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 8, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 8, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 8, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 9, 2013 at 1:31 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Silver - May 9, 2013 at 1:36 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 3:18 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 9, 2013 at 3:19 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 9, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 9, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 9, 2013 at 11:26 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - May 9, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Neo-Scholastic - May 9, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Simon Moon - May 9, 2013 at 11:20 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Esquilax - May 9, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Silver - May 9, 2013 at 4:01 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 9, 2013 at 3:59 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Silver - May 9, 2013 at 4:10 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Silver - May 9, 2013 at 4:21 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 9, 2013 at 4:47 am
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 13, 2013 at 3:31 pm
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RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Silver - May 9, 2013 at 7:48 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 9, 2013 at 7:52 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 9, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by downbeatplumb - May 9, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Whateverist - May 9, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - May 9, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Bad Wolf - May 11, 2013 at 11:29 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 11, 2013 at 11:53 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 1:58 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 12, 2013 at 2:30 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 13, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 5:02 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 12, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 3:04 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 12, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 12, 2013 at 11:17 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 12, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Creed of Heresy - May 12, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Angrboda - May 12, 2013 at 5:02 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by tokutter - May 13, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 12, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 12, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Angrboda - May 13, 2013 at 12:36 am
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 13, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Re: RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Faith No More - May 13, 2013 at 1:54 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by LastPoet - May 13, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 13, 2013 at 4:37 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Ryantology - May 13, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 13, 2013 at 5:38 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 13, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Mister Agenda - May 14, 2013 at 11:35 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 13, 2013 at 6:09 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 13, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 13, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 14, 2013 at 4:35 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 14, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by Angrboda - May 14, 2013 at 3:24 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 14, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 14, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by LastPoet - May 14, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by pocaracas - May 14, 2013 at 4:40 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by LastPoet - May 14, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by fr0d0 - May 14, 2013 at 4:51 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by LastPoet - May 14, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: Atheism Undermines Knowledge - by FallentoReason - May 25, 2013 at 10:45 pm
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