(December 3, 2009 at 2:05 pm)leo-rcc Wrote:It is not their 'offspring' until it has 'sprung'. An unborn baby is a part of the woman's body... nothing more.(December 3, 2009 at 1:17 pm)binny Wrote:(December 3, 2009 at 12:50 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: And what if the mother decides to keep the baby and the dad doesn't want any part of it?
It isn't fair, but it all comes down to biology.
So because of a technical issue you are denying 50% of humanity (give or take) the right to decide on what happens to their offspring.
(December 3, 2009 at 1:17 pm)binny Wrote: Men are never going to be in a position to carry a child or give birth. A man can't understand.
And again, how does that justify the denial of rights to either the child or the man?[/quote]
If a man ever has an unborn baby growing as part of him sometime in the future: he can have that right to give birth to it. The 'child' is not a child until it is born... try not to confuse a child's rights with the rights of me over my left hand.
(December 3, 2009 at 1:17 pm)binny Wrote: If the father doesn't want any part of raising a child then wear a condom or get a vasectomy.
Or the women should have taken the pill or have herself sterilized. There are 2 at fault here, you are shifting the blame. In one case where the father wants to take responibility you deny it, in the other you have no problem holding a man to it.[/quote]
2 at fault? Rape is the woman's fault then?
What responsibility are we holding men to again? The man can leave if he doesn't want the child and his 'partner?' does... nobody as far as I'm aware is stopping him. A relationship is a thing between people... if a person is not going to 'work with' another person: then they have no say in the matter anyway, as there is no relationship.
(December 3, 2009 at 1:17 pm)binny Wrote: If he does want a child then find a woman who wants one too. If you don't agree with abortion don't put yourself in a position where you have to make that choice.
What choice? You just made very clear that according to you there is no choice.[/quote]
The choice/accident? of getting someone pregnant? The choice of the mother having an abortion?
Those are what choices.
(December 3, 2009 at 1:17 pm)binny Wrote: You guys may not think it's fair, but it is what it is.
I don't even think that it isn't fair, it just plain isnt fair at all by any standard.
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Is it fair to say that you have rights to my left leg?
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
