RE: Pleasure and Joy
May 9, 2013 at 2:25 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2013 at 3:22 pm by Harris.)
(May 8, 2013 at 2:50 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:(May 8, 2013 at 2:11 pm)Harris Wrote: Without proper guidance, he may easily be trapped into false ideas. The problem here is how should we reform which instructions or laws are correct and which are not. For that, we should use our intellect that had been given by nature to us. We have to be sincere in our feelings while studying laws or instructions so that no personal preference over rule anything.
Being atheist means that one is no longer trapped by those false religious ideas. After all, it is the goal of the church to control the masses by stating that any idea outside of its dogma is false. Obviously, religious instructions are not something to which a healthy minded individual should adhere. It is too bad that religious people do not use the intellect with which they were born, because they still believe as they were brainwashed into believing. As far as law is concerned, the founding fathers got it right in stating that there should be a separation of church and state.
(May 8, 2013 at 2:11 pm)Harris Wrote: We don’t want to put efforts to learn the truth behind the scenes because we feel lazy. Laziness is another form of pleasure. It is this laziness that keeps us away from our learning process.
I have to agree with you here. Religious people have become so scientifically and logically lazy that they would rather believe in a magical sky daddy than understand that accepting the existence of a divine deity is a byproduct of intellectual laziness.
Being atheist means that one is no longer trapped by those false religious ideas. After all, it is the goal of the church to control the masses by stating that any idea outside of its dogma is false. Obviously, religious instructions are not something to which a healthy minded individual should adhere. It is too bad that religious people do not use the intellect with which they were born, because they still believe as they were brainwashed into believing. As far as law is concerned, the founding fathers got it right in stating that there should be a separation of church and state.
In my post i wrote
People in this world lives with different ideologies. Everyone believes in something and loves something or someone.
This phrase I put for special purpose. being atheist you don't believe in religion thats ok as you think its correct. But that doesn't mean that you have refused to follow all laws in the world. Without following some law you simply can't survive. You are not following religion but you are following constitution of your country. If you deny your country’s law then you automatically get a label of rebel.
If you prefer constitution of your country as guidelines for your life its your preference but like you don’t consider riligion to be on the right path that’s how some people critise over constitution as well. These people are not necessarily be religious people. And I think you will agree that in the world there is no constitution which is perfect.
I have to agree with you here. Religious people have become so scientifically and logically lazy that they would rather believe in a magical sky daddy than understand that accepting the existence of a divine deity is a byproduct of intellectual laziness.
You can’t apply lazyness only over riligious people. Lazyness is a property of every human being whether riligious or not. Man is looking for excuses to be lazy. For instance atheist can took some wrong deeds of religious people and based on that baned himself to acquire the proper knowledge. The same is applicable to a rigilious man. Acquiring knowledge demand efforts and mental labour is something which is not attractive for most of the people.
(May 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote:(May 8, 2013 at 2:11 pm)Harris Wrote: If some religion or ideology provoke it’s followers to feel superior over others that religion or ideology becomes the basis of human agonies.
Strangely enough, I agree with most of what you are saying here. That being said, none of what you laid out here requires a god of any sort to achieve.
However, the line quoted above smacks of extreme hypocrisy coming from you.
I believe your koran tells you that unbelievers (infidels) are to be killed. That sounds to me very much like the book saying its religion is superior to others and I think that muslim-caused "human agonies" are pretty well documented.
The purpose of my post is to invite people for having a proper knowledge.
As being a Muslim I am facing this critique quite often. I don’t argue with the critique maker as I know they have not read the Quran and they had not tried to research because of their laziness.
In response I’ll give you one example
American president said
‘Kill every Vietnami wherever you find him’
With this phrase I made the president a butcher. Why, because I have quoted him out of the context. So, these are the tactics of a propaganda machine that is trying to change the view point of general public so the politicians achieve their targets without any opposition from their own followers.
In order to understand each other in a better way we have to have a proper knowledge on each others ideologies.
I registered myself on this site because I don’t have proper knowledge about atheism and I am keen to learn before giving some conclusive opinion.
(May 8, 2013 at 5:54 pm)apophenia Wrote:
"It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
— Macbeth
sounds something familiar.