A challenge about women and marriage in Islam

[Violet]

I'm pleading with you to either make your point or shut up, nothing dumb about that.

Age lines are not a logically defendable legalization tool. They are made out of economics, and they are made for the perceived median archetype of the <stated> population. Emotion plays a pretty solid role in formulating or modifying these, even. The lawmakers just 'feel like' the age of majority should be X, very few go deeper and ask "Why do I feel this way? What's so special about 10/13/14/16/18/21/30/etc?". Just take a look at this thread as an example... take a look at all of the other nonsense we've had about age over the years (if you feel like a field trip )... and you'll notice a very similar theme within. Actually, you could expand that to a hell of a lot more than age (it's freaking fascinating! I should have been a sociologist/shrink, haha)... but let's not let the subject get too out of sight.

Which leads to the real point: this isn't about 9 year olds, but instead this: *WHAT ARE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF <A BEING> WHICH ALLOW FOR (in your eyes) THE FUCKING AND/OR MARRYING OF SAID BEING?*

Explain in detail why this is important, without any verbal dancing around or crap jokes that I normally have to plow through when I read your posts.

In detail: What is more common... homosexuality... or heterosexuality?

Ponder, then... boys and girls are often not allowed to be unsupervised in the same room, especially not when they're together as a pair, and especially not when they'll be that way for a significant level of time.

I haven't made a crap joke in a good while. I should get back to toilet humor, since so few seem to grasp anything beyond it. I MADE THIS FOR YOU!

In a thread topic about the Islamic system of marriage how do gays lesbians or bisexuals come into this when the majority of Muslims don't accept homosexuality as acceptable?

Am I invisible? Are my letters as white as the forum snow? Do my words fall upon deaf ears? Did my observation that LGB(t?) people typically have their first sexual experiences earlier than heterosexual people just get ignored again in favor of something I'm not arguing... again?

I'm rather more impressed that we're not rambling on about penis... we're 20 pages in, and still: a surprising absence of pedo jokes. I'm not sure if I should be impressed with the forum... or seriously disappointed.

I already explained why I'm not going to search the internet for data talking about when 9 year old girls want sex, but the data on here readily provided already proves my point if you don't want to accept it that's your problem.

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Didn't we talk about this? Something about poes and trolls and... OMG: I'm the invisible woman! But... I don't want to hang with Mr. Fantastic. Seriously, man... he's a jerk.

Show me statistics to the contrary then, that 9 year olds love sex and are protesting about the age of consent. Go ahead.

My concern of where the statistics CAME FROM... is not related to the challenging OF these statistics. There's a key difference... English isn't your first language, maybe?

I didn't take the statistics there is nothing I can do about these sample sizes

Which is why you should, maybe... LOOK AT THEM? If I didn't already believe they were suspect statistics (source), I'd have done it... but remember: I'm not the one using these On the rare occasions I use data, I like to know where it comes from, and how we came by it.

Yet to address the problem you have the the group collecting the data

* Violet reads this.

* Violet rereads this.

* Violet reads this once more, and concludes that you'll have to rephrase, lest she misinterpret what you're saying (since she has to guess). ((My guess is that it's "yet to address the problem you have with the group collecting the data", to which I would answer flatly 'Muslim Scholar))

Again explain in detail minus the crap jokes and verbal dancing around, which is funny because I know that's impossible for you.

You're a very hurtful person... I'm so glad I have friends



The point can be summed in first: feeling better about oneself, and second in justifications, for instance: "What have I got to lose?" Some people will, in a moment of weakness, commit an act that either A: They find atrocious, B: Their friends and families find atrocious, C: the law or God(s) finds atrocious, or D: some/all of the above and/or some more. Oftentimes, this person will feel guilty, lonely, angry, depressed, self-loathing, disgust... sometimes a point of weakness deeper than that which preceded them.

Good people are often criminals... anyway, it was more of a suggestion that you read up on 'criminal psychology' in general, as it's of particular fascination with pedophilia. Homosexuals were the same way (to an extent) at one point. Also... if you stereotype a whole swath of people and treat them as though they <whatever justifies your violence): you shouldn't be too surprised when some of them are pressed into meeting that stereotype.

I repeat again, because 9 year olds are more easily intimidated and bullied into situations and are usually not fully mature by this age in anyway shape or form.

9 year olds, women in general, asians, effeminate men, gay men, and geese all have that in common. You realize that it's not so much on a person to be not easily intimidated and bullied... as it is for the intimidator and bully to... ah... not?

Maturity doesn't save you from bullies, abuse, or intimidation. Presentation can help, but it's no guarantee.

1:20 in this last video video

I didn't watch it... should I have? I'm waiting for the philosophical questions to be settled down into at least working definitions, but will it happen? Mmmm, I doubt it, but I'm willing to be surprised

Prove to me that Muslims Scholar is a poe or troll, call him whatever you like but he's no hypocrite, I see nothing unIslamic in anything he has said so why would you not believe him?

* Violet giggles. Then she laughs. Then she guffaws (most unladylike of her). Then she settles into an occasional chuckle as she wipes her eyes.

Prove that someone is a poe or a troll... XD I don't believe that he defends islam, quite the oposite, infact.

As for why I wouldn't believe him, we have a few (well, at least one) really good muslims about who have talked about this specific thing before. Most of them do not recognize the young lady married to Mohammed to have been eight (or whatever), but rather at least 13 (or somesuch)... and not necessarily (or even likely, given Mohammed's character) consummated at that time.

About arranged marriages involving young people: they are usually implied as investments for both families. Only a fool would risk damaging such an investment... mind: there are as many fools in the middle east and in africa as there are in america. These are not problems with age, though: they are problems with relationships in general. They only appear magnified because of age... had these men you've presented had older wives: they would be suffering a similar level of abuse.

Maybe you'll present to me how this isn't so?

You asked for data I showed you what was already there and explained to you I'm not even willing to search through google on this topic because it is so disgusting, by that I mean I'm not going to use my brand new pc to go searching on google for "do 9 year olds want sex" and so on or any statistics relating to that.

I still ask for data, since we have *THREE* data points... which *is not a lot*. I see the salmon run data from 2003, 2004, and 2005, and state it's trending up (implying that 2006 should be a better year than those before it), when the years 1995-2002 were mixed batch of 2-3 year swings up and down. But I don't have this data... and so I spend all my money in 2005, expecting to make it all back in 2006: crash.

DATA POINTS. MORE OF THEM. COLLECT... or stop bleeding using them

As if it's the only 'disgusting thing' a man might search for on the internet

Seriously though: the data is *not bleeding relevant to my question*... so once more with feeling:

"I'll add again that I believe these to be wholly irrelevant to the philosophical concerns of the basic questions. Who gives a shit whether they are 9, 4, 3242, 1, freshly born, or 18: what are the primary factors that make a person 'marriageable' or 'fuckable'?"