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Positive Atheism
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RE: Positive Atheism
(December 4, 2009 at 2:38 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote:
(December 3, 2009 at 7:27 pm)Saerules Wrote: Its really simple... when someone says something like 'I like blue'... a person might ask 'why?' of that. You can continue these 'why?'s until their final logical conclusion that a person just needs to accept all things on faith Smile
You make it seem like a straight line from opinion to faith down under. IMO it is more like the roots of a tree, one conviction has many roots which has many roots and so on. Besides the line of reasoning from top to bottom there is need for coherence and consistency among the many branches. Reasoning is like maximizing consistency among all the branches of a certain conviction you hold with yourself and with arguments presented by others. Yes, in the end (at the tip of the roots) all convictions are based on assertions (as Kant says: the thing in itself cannot be known), but there is a difference between blind faith and reasoned opinion. You cannot accept genesis and empirical results from cosmology at the same time. The proof is in the pudding and the eating is in reasoning.

There can be well-justified beliefs... but that also is subjective. Its a pudding that tastes different to everyone.

Every single assertion is taken by faith. Including the one I just said Smile We arrive at the conclusion of "I like blue" by 'scaffolding' ourselves up to that position (which we hold faith in each scaffold, including "i like blue".). It is an entire chain of faith... trusting that which we believe we can trust (by justifying it).

Essentially, even the holding of faith becomes circular. Even the most basic 'law?' of our universe (logic) is not unaffected by this. Why is A=A? Because it has to be, or else we can 'know' nothing in this universe, we essentially cannot 'reasonably' function, as all things are impossible to accept. So I suppose I'm a materialistic existentialist. I recognize that we cannot ultimately know anything... but that we must construct our individually accepted subjective meanings and definitions upon what we are familiar and confident with.

I'm confident with science. A theist is confident with their god(s). Is that not the 'problem?' we atheists have with theists? Smile
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Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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Messages In This Thread
Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 1, 2009 at 11:01 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 2, 2009 at 12:09 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Overmars - December 2, 2009 at 3:00 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 2, 2009 at 6:31 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 2, 2009 at 11:56 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 2, 2009 at 12:02 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Joe Bloe - December 2, 2009 at 1:28 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 2, 2009 at 1:45 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 2, 2009 at 2:46 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 3, 2009 at 5:49 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 2, 2009 at 5:39 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 2, 2009 at 5:49 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 2, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 2, 2009 at 6:19 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 2, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 12:09 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 3, 2009 at 3:56 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Amphora - December 3, 2009 at 5:29 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 7, 2009 at 3:34 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 3, 2009 at 5:37 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Amphora - December 3, 2009 at 5:45 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 3, 2009 at 5:51 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 3, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 3, 2009 at 6:11 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 3, 2009 at 6:28 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 1:38 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - January 5, 2010 at 12:26 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 3, 2009 at 9:30 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Meatball - December 3, 2009 at 4:31 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 4:59 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 3, 2009 at 5:05 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 3, 2009 at 4:40 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 3, 2009 at 4:41 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 3, 2009 at 4:46 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 5:14 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 3, 2009 at 5:24 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Autumnlicious - December 3, 2009 at 7:10 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 7:27 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 4, 2009 at 2:38 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 4, 2009 at 5:04 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 4, 2009 at 11:42 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 5:06 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 3, 2009 at 5:14 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 3, 2009 at 6:45 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 4, 2009 at 12:15 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Pippy - December 4, 2009 at 3:35 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 7, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 7, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 8, 2009 at 3:18 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Darwinian - December 8, 2009 at 3:22 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by downbeatplumb - December 13, 2009 at 3:44 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 8, 2009 at 5:09 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Craveman - December 10, 2009 at 4:12 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 4:51 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 8, 2009 at 11:11 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 8, 2009 at 6:23 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 8, 2009 at 7:12 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 8, 2009 at 7:23 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 8, 2009 at 7:56 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 9, 2009 at 7:29 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 9, 2009 at 7:36 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Amphora - December 9, 2009 at 9:09 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 9, 2009 at 9:06 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Autumnlicious - December 9, 2009 at 10:06 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 10, 2009 at 2:17 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 10, 2009 at 3:30 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 10, 2009 at 5:24 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 10, 2009 at 9:51 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 10, 2009 at 10:09 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 10:53 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 10, 2009 at 10:59 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 10, 2009 at 11:24 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 11, 2009 at 2:10 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 11, 2009 at 11:23 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 12, 2009 at 12:03 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 8, 2009 at 11:55 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Pippy - December 9, 2009 at 8:33 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 13, 2009 at 5:27 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Pippy - December 9, 2009 at 10:26 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 9, 2009 at 10:41 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 9, 2009 at 10:52 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Amphora - December 9, 2009 at 11:00 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 10, 2009 at 12:37 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 10, 2009 at 11:04 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 11:21 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 10, 2009 at 12:31 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 12, 2009 at 4:21 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 12, 2009 at 4:59 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 12, 2009 at 9:34 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 13, 2009 at 10:37 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 13, 2009 at 3:23 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 14, 2009 at 10:54 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 14, 2009 at 5:09 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 5:29 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 14, 2009 at 6:20 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by LEDO - December 13, 2009 at 10:19 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 13, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 13, 2009 at 7:26 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 14, 2009 at 2:10 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 14, 2009 at 3:51 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 14, 2009 at 5:26 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 14, 2009 at 4:14 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 4:27 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 15, 2009 at 9:54 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 15, 2009 at 11:35 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 16, 2009 at 9:15 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 16, 2009 at 9:44 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 16, 2009 at 11:03 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 16, 2009 at 11:49 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 16, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 16, 2009 at 2:03 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 16, 2009 at 2:36 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 16, 2009 at 2:55 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 16, 2009 at 3:20 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 16, 2009 at 3:39 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 16, 2009 at 9:29 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 17, 2009 at 10:24 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 17, 2009 at 11:16 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 17, 2009 at 6:49 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 17, 2009 at 12:00 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 17, 2009 at 12:28 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 17, 2009 at 5:54 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 17, 2009 at 8:48 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2009 at 8:33 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 17, 2009 at 6:31 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Pippy - December 18, 2009 at 8:11 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 18, 2009 at 8:33 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 21, 2009 at 8:45 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2009 at 10:50 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 21, 2009 at 10:54 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2009 at 11:06 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 21, 2009 at 12:49 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2009 at 1:44 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 21, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2009 at 4:10 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 21, 2009 at 7:56 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 21, 2009 at 8:01 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 22, 2009 at 3:12 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 22, 2009 at 8:51 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 22, 2009 at 9:34 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 22, 2009 at 9:44 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 22, 2009 at 11:46 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 22, 2009 at 9:53 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 22, 2009 at 10:15 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 22, 2009 at 10:19 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 22, 2009 at 10:27 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 22, 2009 at 10:29 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 22, 2009 at 10:36 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 22, 2009 at 10:39 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 22, 2009 at 7:04 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 22, 2009 at 7:07 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 23, 2009 at 3:26 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 23, 2009 at 3:58 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 23, 2009 at 4:21 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 23, 2009 at 5:25 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 23, 2009 at 8:53 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 23, 2009 at 10:10 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 23, 2009 at 10:21 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 23, 2009 at 12:46 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 23, 2009 at 2:11 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 23, 2009 at 5:56 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by TruthWorthy - December 30, 2009 at 8:21 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 30, 2009 at 1:04 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 30, 2009 at 1:43 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 30, 2009 at 12:55 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by TruthWorthy - December 30, 2009 at 6:43 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 30, 2009 at 8:55 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 30, 2009 at 2:05 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 30, 2009 at 2:34 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 30, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 30, 2009 at 3:01 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 30, 2009 at 3:08 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 30, 2009 at 7:28 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 31, 2009 at 10:12 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by TruthWorthy - December 31, 2009 at 7:02 pm



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