RE: Proving God Existence
May 15, 2013 at 6:45 am
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2013 at 6:53 am by Muslim Scholar.)
(May 11, 2013 at 2:00 pm)paulpablo Wrote:It is not an idea it is the conclusion from the proofQuote:4. G is outside time, G must be one unit as if there are more than one entity time can be related to each other, but as time did not exist, then G is one UN-separated self-dependent unit
There's a whole fucking truck load of illogical shit in the points you have tried to prove but let me just point this one out to you first.
God is outside of time, so you say he can only be one unit otherwise and I'm quoting you
"if there are more than one entity time can be related to each other"
1 This is definitely incorrect English.
2 No idea where you got the idea that an entity can exist but no other entity can exist outside of time.
You need to distinguish between what I used as the definition of time and the common word "Time"
I used only part of the common Time; which is related events
As it is proved that events had a start (first event)
So with a single event, there is no simultaneous other events (even within God himself)
So the First event is just single from a single source
(That's why scientist call is Singularity)
Quote: Explain to me in detail how you know about the laws of the area god occupies outside of the universe and time please, tell me how you observed these logical facts.All my conclusions are based on "Disjoint" which is the opposite of terms
Quote:3 Even IF my previous point wasn't valid how can an entity exist outside of space and time and have actions.How doesn't/cannot apply here!
Because we only know/understand what is inside the universe, even our languages doesn't support words to describe what is outside the universe.
Quote:4 How can an entity exist outside of time and have actions AND have the actions stated explicitly in your holy book as taking time, he created the world in 6 days or periods depending on which translation you believe.After the first event (creating the Universe) any actions can/must have time (Because other events are taking place)
His actions take time, he exists outside of time.
Quote:Still also have yet to tell me how you can prove god does not reflect light or how god can definitely not be a creature of any kind.Because the word "Image" we defined it as Light reflected from an object, God is proved to be not an object, so Image doesn't apply to him
Same as creature, God is proved to be not created, he is the first
Your question is like asking "Prove to me how a circle cannot be a square?"
My answer is that you defined (accepted) the definition of "Square" and "Circle", It is an Axiom and axioms don't need to proved.
(May 11, 2013 at 7:22 am)Esquilax Wrote:Ok, let's go step by step, as it seems that your brain cannot understand the whole proofQuote:My proof is based on logic (whether you like it or not)
The problem is that you need to refute it (logically) to claim it invalid.
The problem is that your logic is non existent. Again, you're just asserting you're right, and whenever anyone points out that you haven't justified the leaps in logic you've made with anything other than "I really want this to be true," you just ignore us. It's a bit pathetic.
Beyond that... you haven't yet provided any evidence against evolution (which is what we were actually talking about, let's be clear) to refute. Just a bare assertion that it's a lie; where's our promised evidence, "Scholar?"
Do you accept the first part that events had a start?