(May 17, 2013 at 10:08 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: You can't reason with somebody that openly rejects reason. Somebody willing to openly say they reject logic could not put it any plainly to you that they are irrational. The points you make are valid, but not to these types of thinkers. There are things they don't believe, they just don't understand the system that gives them the ability to articulate a non-contradictory reason why. Anything they do believe in, falls short of intelligible thought due to the same cause, its a vicious circle. It's funny, but don't get your hopes up that they will actually understand a single thing you say. Just see if you can give them some jelly beans or something, pat them on the head, and be on your way ( e.g. Waldorf).
Martin Luther understood that faith and reason are incompatible and admitted it proudly:
"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God."
Modern Christians, agreeing in principle with Luther but lacking the honesty to admit it, are constantly guilty of misconstruing faith as reason and delusion as knowledge.
