are vegetarians more ethical by not eating meat?

[Creed of Heresy]

I kill a mosquito that is going to sting me, yes, that is called self-defense and is quite justifiable.

Self defense? Are you fucking KIDDING ME?

Neither do most human beings have a good understanding about what death means or what life is, but that doesn't allow us to exclude them from moral considerations. Neither has any brain study ever shown that another human being has quite the emotional range that you yourself as the subject of those experiences have, all you see is some neurons firing. It is all based on reason and inferance. That doesn't lead you to question that other people have very similar experiences and desires as you do.

Uhm, actually we have a much better idea of what life and death is than we let on, even the most religious of us betray that with their fixations on death and equating it to being something possibly bad or horrible. The people who ask the question "why am I?" already have answered the question by merely existing; "Because I am.", it's just superfluous questions made up by people who try to make out like they're sounding smarter than everyone else when in fact they're not.

I never dismissed that plants have some kind of consciousness and will, that they are very much alive. However it is never immoral to do what I need to do to stay alive, and I have to eat plants in order to stay alive. I don't have to eat animals, and I have much more direct evidence of the suffering and pain of a screaming pig when it is butchered than when I pick an apple from a tree. Which, by the way, is not killing the tree, matter of fact it is what the tree has produced the apple for in the first place, reproduction. I'm actually giving the tree its equivalent of sexual pleasure for all I know.

So in other words you live by an undefined double standard where the only morality involved is your own subjective one. Well, at least you have openly admitted to having no basis in any kind of truth in reality that anyone here should take on face value, then!

Just shut up and quit bitching and eat a damn steak.

I'll consider the screaming all capitals and the insulting tone as a confirmation that you, too, deep down inside can feel that there is actually something very wrong here. Why else would you, and not only you, get so emotional despite your proclaimed trust in reason.

Also, it is unworthy of someone who quotes Hitchens in his signature to tell someone who he disagrees with to "shut up".

Wow, are you a psychologist or something? Because you nailed me dead perfectly. I'm serious, it's like you're psychic or something! Wait, no, I'm lying, that actually doesn't describe me at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with eating plants OR animals but I DO think there's something wrong with someone who turns his nose up at particular types of food WHEN THERE'S CHILDREN FUCKING STARVING TO DEATH ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, you fucking uppity snob! You're the fucking epitome of being a picky shithead!





Ok...so...you're trying to say...that if these children were to be eating meat, to be fed meat, or otherwise consume meat...it'd be...immoral.

...I'm going to let you think about why I am acting like there's something wrong when I am discussing this issue with you. Mm-k? REALLY...REALLY think hard on it...and maybe you'll realize my problem isn't with the morality in eating animals...but rather, the immorality in stating that everyone should eat like you or else they're not being moral, even if they're fucking starving to death.

THAT. Is my problem. It's with you. I am so fucking sick of vegan and vegetarian health-nazis as it is trying to force this idea that I need to only eat vegetables because it's healthier when science is in complete lack of consensus on the matter at all, but even more so am I sick of you nitwits that poke your head up to spew some bullshit like "eating animals is IMMORAL!" Oh REALLY, and what fucking objective morality are you using to justify this statement? NONE. You don't even have any scientific evidence to back this statement up! NONE WHATSOEVER. So you're insulting starving people by saying that if they were to eat meat it would be immoral.

Unless of course suddenly it would become very moral for them to do so which further pours more bullshit into the equation because then why is it suddenly good to feed a person at the expense of an animal's life if both lives are supposedly equal, hm? Regardless, your morality bullshit is just that: BULLSHIT.

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Now there's a false anaolgy if ever there was one. Rape=harmful. Meat=harmless.

No, its not harmless only because the victim who suffers and dies is non-human.

Uh, yes it is, and who are you to say otherwise? I've asked for proof as for WHY eating an animal is wrong and you haven't provided anything, whereas I was at least kind enough to provide a link to an interview with a biological scientist stating how plants are capable of feeling like humans and animals in many ways. Death. Comes. From Life. Deal with it.