(May 19, 2013 at 5:58 pm)ideologue08 Wrote:(May 19, 2013 at 5:49 pm)Gnosis Wrote: 1. Right ok... and yet without it the world would fall to chaos, logic doesn't rule the world it gives us guidelines and insight, We are born with a logical mind and morals. Religion fucks that up. Look at the bible !1. That's not true, our morality is not based on logic, at least I hope yours isn't. Morality is most of the time illogical. And I really couldn't give a shit about the Bible. Logically, yes, selling your daughter as a sex slave earns the parents some financial reward doesn't it. In fact, a daughter can be a financial liability, so it makes sense to sell her as a sex slave. Welcome to using logic as the basis for morality my friend, welcome.
The God of the Bible allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). Is that moral ?
2. Ow it doesn't ? Do elaborate on how it doesn't ?
Do you believe in Zeus ?
2. Atheism is the lack of a belief. I don't just lack a belief in Zeus, I reject it with a positive rejection i.e. there's no way Zeus exists. That's not the same as atheism.
1. I never said it was. Are you even reading what I'm writing ?. And despite the fact i just said we are born with a logical mind AND morals AND the fact that logic doesn't rule the world but its there you cant reject it we need it, you still made the assumption i believe i derive morals from logic.
2. Atheism is the 'positive rejection of god' actually. Not a lack of belief.
How do you know, can you disprove zeus ? Go ahead there and disprove him for me. Can i disprove god exists, No, Do i think that the lack of any shred of evidence makes it ill-logical to believe in him ..... YES Just like its ILL-LOGICAL to believe in zeus... so look who is being logical pal....
We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
Richard Dawkins
Richard Dawkins