Argument from evil, restated

[Ryantology]

For depth of relationship, as I explained.

God didn't want Adam and Eve to have knowledge of evil. Does that mean he didn't want a deep relationship with them? Is Adam's fall is a crime for which all humanity deserves punishment, or is that God's way of striking up more meaningful relationships with people? If the latter is true, why all the punishment and misery? Sounds to me that we're being asked to atone for something which was never Adam's fault in the first place (and is most certainly none of ours).

Then he's not omnicapable. Doesn't bother me. I don't see how he could have a deep relationship while not revealing important aspects of himself. It would be like an eternal first date.

If he's not omnicapable, then he's not worth worshiping because he is not the most superior thing there is.

The point isn't time and energy, it's unveiling. Most people could have a successful first date with many more people than they could have a successful marriage with. Some people choose superficial relationships. Some people want to find someone they can open up to and be accepted.

People aren't gods and comparing gods to people to explain his behavior only cheapens the god.

The argument fails because it refutes itself. The concepts of good and evil have no meaning without a moral order that transcends physical reality.

Unless I'm mistaken and morality is a physical object or force which can be measured, then every moral order transcends physical reality to whatever degree, so that takes care of that.

If you refer to the Isaiah 45 quote mentioned then you must first distinguish between natural and moral evil. No Christian denies that the Lord created all the features of the natural world including earthquakes, hurricanes, and floods. The fact that natural disasters happen does not have moral implications.

Natural disasters have no moral implications unless you have an omnipotent God behind the scenes. Then, every disaster has a moral implication and every one of them is, to some greater or lesser extent, that god's fault, for either allowing it to happen and not stopping it, or intentionally causing it. So many people in Oklahoma believe in a God who, according to that belief, is omnipotent and could have stopped that tornado. Yet, so many of them thanked the God which destroyed their neighbors, killed their children, and ruined their lives. The power of delusion is mighty.

I can already hear someone objecting,"yeah, but look how much death and suffering He allows to happen." I will remind that smarty pants that life is a gift. Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. We wouldn't even be alive if not for God, so we don't have any right to complain that ours wasn't long enough.

If life is a gift, it should never be taken away. Otherwise, it's not a gift at all. If you take back gifts, without reason or warning, you're an asshole. But hey, Chad, way to glorify your god's lust for random murder.