RE: What does an atheist...
December 9, 2009 at 4:04 am
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2009 at 4:09 am by tackattack.)
(December 8, 2009 at 8:38 am)leo-rcc Wrote: But here is another person that says that pixie dust is not sparkly at all, and I am just arguing against a version of pixies he doesn't believe in either. And another person believes in pixies with silk wings, while another believes in pixies with transparent wings. And every time I address a pixie from one belief, the other believers are like "Yes, but those are not my pixies".I don't really care which pixies you don't believe in, just that you have a concept of a pixie. Agreed it's easier if I just state my beliefs and you accept or reject them. I'll hope for impartial fairness, but let's not kid ourselves it doesn't really exist. I'll answer that further down then.
That is why it is much more productive for the one believing in something to explain himself what he or she believes and why, and for those who do not believe to either accept or reject the existence claim of what is believed.
(December 8, 2009 at 8:38 am)leo-rcc Wrote: Not really, because we know races exist, and we also know that even people who are prejudice against certain races at least can see what they are rallying against. Their preconceptions of the race may be flawed, but they at least know those races are real.
They're real because they're percievable, even though they're social notions created by people to explain inconsistencies?
(December 8, 2009 at 8:38 am)leo-rcc Wrote: By the capitalization I suppose you mean the biblical god, so the supposed creator of the universe, who also put human beings on this earth as its special project, watches over them, and when they do something it doesn't like wipes them from the Earth except for some small delegation so mankind can try again. Then for some strange reason it feels the need to send itself to the Earth as a man called Jesus so it can be crucified so mankind can be forgiven for doing what humans do.That answers my question. Thank you.
I don't believe in that one either.
(December 8, 2009 at 8:57 am)theVOID Wrote: I reject all god claims due to absolute lack of evidence historical, scientific, biological, cosmological or otherwise. There is nothing about these claims that any of it's believers have any honest way of true, they just accept at face value the testimony of bronze age sand dwellers, primitive, uneducated, superstitious people who knew absolutely noting of the world around them and had nothing to go on apart from their fairly primitive human existence, and guess what... They made a human like god responsible and vanished away explanations for everything. Belief in god has never given us any knowledge, no explanatory power - just the speculation of primitive humans.I'll accept the human like answer and the chip that goes with it. Thank you
(December 8, 2009 at 8:57 am)theVOID Wrote: The religious look at the universe wrong, they look from the top down, they have to assume the existence of god in step 1! This is why it fails - you can't know for sure there is a god,You're going to have to extrapolate on my "top down view" before I can agree with all of that statement.
(December 8, 2009 at 8:57 am)theVOID Wrote: and believing there is has had absolutely no benefit for our species. There is a better way to look at the universe, the scientific method, it has let us look at the universe, life, our minds, our very existence and find out incomparably more in a few hundred years than belief in god has for thousands of years.Agreed I love what science has done for mankind and in no way want to impede that progress.
(December 8, 2009 at 8:57 am)theVOID Wrote: So until you provide me some reason to believe in a god, the idea is just as credible as David Icke's Reptilian master species, which is to say Nil credibility.I'll take that as your concept if you had one.
(December 8, 2009 at 8:57 am)theVOID Wrote: So why don't you answer this question: Can you explain what you believe and why you believe it?
God to me is a force that created and set into motion the known universe. I don't feel he acts on our behalf or intercedes but is omniviscent and omnipotent. God is unknowable therefore it doesn't follow that it's sentient. If I had to visualize God it would be a huge ball of energy sitting outside the universe with photons shooting out from it.
I believe this because I can not explain what created the universe with science. Even though historical documents are steeped in contradictions, mytos and warped perspectives they convey a similar hope and parables that make sense to me. I believe science is wonderful and opens our eyes to a myriad of possibilities. There will always be unexplainable things that need explaining. Frankly I don't have the energy to debunk all of them and I have a great repsect for those who do. I feel it's easier to prove what's real to me than disprove what other's feel is real. While I enjoy looking at things from an increasing perspective, it gets tedious at times and I invariably come beck to what's real to me. I don't believe in fate. I do believe in karma. Every action, thought and belief of one affects the others around them, then other's around them and so on. I see a balance on a moralistic scale, on a scientific scale and on a physical scale that leads me to believe that the randomeness of the human condition is not a singularity. I'd like to hope that perfection is love. I'd like to hope that a God is that love and he shares it with us like photons from the sun. I'd like not to sit under an umbrella with my shades.
(December 8, 2009 at 9:07 pm)LEDO Wrote: And Tackattack wants to know about the atheist concept of God. WTF. Okay, I will start but excuse the fuck out of me if I don't take this thread serious either: God has big tits which attracks a lot of suckers.Great answer I don't believe in that God either.
I need my bong.
(December 8, 2009 at 11:49 pm)littlegrimlin1 Wrote: I don't have a concept of a god. I can kinda have a concept of a god if you first tell me which religion we are talking about... but that's all I have to go on, I don't have my own version.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
If you've never had a concept then simply defining the word god will suffice.