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Conflicting statements in the bible
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible
(May 24, 2013 at 12:40 pm)Sal Wrote: All the "answers" to this dilemma are built upon submitting that one cannot understand god's reason for authoring morality,...one major problem with this approach, which Aquinas missed...If humans are unable to understand the basis of morality of that god authors, then they're equally unable to understand the moral itself and thus it falls back to an arbitrary command.
Your interpretation of Aquinas seems colored by your desire to see his argument fail. The dilemma depends on our conception of what is good, making it a problem of epistomology.

Our conceptions of what is good come from judgments we make about the various states of affairs. We compare these with each other, find common features, and conceive a universal category of goodness. Since those common features accord with attributes of God, God serves a universal standard.

Thus the dilemma is not a dilemma about God. The dilemma is about how we identify what is good. It is not like an ideal good exists apart from God, it is whether God's nature matches our human abstract conception of good for which God can be a common standard. Or to put it another way. Since our conception of an ideal good is identical to the nature of God, we feel justified in saying that God's nature is the ideal good.

I think it is important to add the following. One thing that makes Christianity unique is that God is not just a collection of abstract principles. He is a real Person that exemplifies the highest standard we can conceive. Thus serving Him is following a just and merciful king, not just adhering to a particular philosophy.

Thus you either accept God as the standard or you do not. "Choose this day whom ye shall serve." Should you obey God? Its up to you. Choose wisely.
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Conflicting statements in the bible - by Baalzebutt - April 19, 2013 at 4:48 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by swordwords - April 23, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 23, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Mononoke - April 19, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - April 19, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 9:35 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Plotinus - April 20, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 20, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 22, 2013 at 8:26 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 20, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 20, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Aedrone1 - April 20, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Kayenneh - April 21, 2013 at 5:56 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Gilgamesh - April 21, 2013 at 6:01 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 21, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by archangle - April 22, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 22, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 22, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Godschild - April 22, 2013 at 11:58 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 23, 2013 at 8:39 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Baalzebutt - April 23, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 22, 2013 at 9:29 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 23, 2013 at 12:00 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 23, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 23, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - April 23, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 23, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - April 23, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - April 23, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 23, 2013 at 5:18 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - April 24, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 25, 2013 at 11:40 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - April 25, 2013 at 3:01 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Baalzebutt - April 25, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 25, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 26, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 25, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by iameatingjam - April 28, 2013 at 7:04 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Whateverist - April 29, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 30, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Godschild - April 30, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 29, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by popeyespappy - April 23, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cinjin - April 24, 2013 at 2:02 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 24, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 25, 2013 at 11:45 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by justin - April 25, 2013 at 11:52 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 25, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cinjin - April 26, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 27, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - April 27, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 25, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - April 26, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 26, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 27, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 28, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - April 27, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 27, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 28, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 28, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - May 1, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Godschild - April 30, 2013 at 2:17 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Gabriel Syme - April 30, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - April 30, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - April 30, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - April 30, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - April 30, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - April 30, 2013 at 8:17 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 30, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 30, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Godschild - May 1, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 2, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 2, 2013 at 11:45 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 2, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - May 2, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 2, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 2, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 3, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 5, 2013 at 2:32 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by ThomM - May 2, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Godschild - May 2, 2013 at 11:39 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 10, 2013 at 8:09 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Silver - May 10, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - May 11, 2013 at 12:15 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - May 20, 2013 at 12:56 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 20, 2013 at 4:45 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by ThomM - May 20, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Sal - May 21, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - May 22, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - May 22, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - May 30, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 3, 2013 at 7:29 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Colanth - May 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - May 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - May 30, 2013 at 7:00 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by archangle - May 28, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Sal - May 22, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Sal - May 22, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Sal - May 24, 2013 at 12:40 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Neo-Scholastic - May 24, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Sal - May 24, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - May 23, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - May 28, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cato - May 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cato - May 28, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cato - May 28, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 3, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 5, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 6, 2013 at 10:36 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 10, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 12, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - June 12, 2013 at 7:15 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Silver - June 12, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cato - June 12, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - June 12, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Silver - June 13, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Silver - June 13, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Silver - June 13, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Silver - June 13, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 15, 2013 at 1:45 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Silver - June 13, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 17, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Brakeman - June 6, 2013 at 7:15 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Brakeman - June 8, 2013 at 9:49 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Brakeman - June 8, 2013 at 6:19 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - June 12, 2013 at 12:21 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - June 12, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Psykhronic - June 13, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Psykhronic - June 13, 2013 at 5:42 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Golbez - June 13, 2013 at 11:37 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Silver - June 15, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by shoestring - June 16, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by littleendian - June 17, 2013 at 12:02 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 18, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 18, 2013 at 10:16 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cato - June 18, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 19, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 19, 2013 at 8:29 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 24, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 21, 2013 at 8:14 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 24, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cyberman - June 24, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 25, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Brian37 - June 25, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 26, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 26, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 27, 2013 at 12:58 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Savannahw - June 18, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Bad Writer - June 26, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - June 27, 2013 at 6:22 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Bad Writer - June 27, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - June 27, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 27, 2013 at 9:18 pm

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