RE: Proving God Existence
May 25, 2013 at 11:26 am
(This post was last modified: May 25, 2013 at 11:30 am by little_monkey.)
(March 18, 2013 at 6:07 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Part I
Premises
I’ll only use Axioms about time & universe
1. The Universe is dynamic and each second will take a new state
so its states can be represented by a function of time U(t) ≠U(t+1)
2. Time is a conceptual frame of reference; i.e. a relation between two events;
• Event 1: a consistent (as we assume) set of repeated events we use as a reference (e.g. clock ticks, radiation, moon cycle, etc.)
• Event 2: an event that we are trying to measure in reference to event(s) 1 (e.g. a car trip, age, etc.)
3. Assuming that time is infinite t ɛ { -∞, -∞+1, ……, 0, 1, 2, 3, … ,∞-1,∞}
4. Defining two sets of the Universe states in the past
Set 1: All Statuses separated from (1/1/2000 00:00:00) by a finite number of seconds
Set 2: All Statuses separated from (1/1/2000 00:00:00) by an infinite number of seconds
S1= {U(1), U(2), ….}, S2={U(-∞), U(-∞+1), U(-∞+2),….}
Each set can have (Finite, Infinite or 0) number of members
So the options are:
1. S1 = ɸ (i.e. it is empty)
False, as it contradicts with the ability to measure (time/seconds)
2. S1 has infinite no. of elements
False, as it contradicts with the definition of Set 1; it has only Statuses separated by a finite number of seconds so it must have a finite No. of elements.
3. S1 is finite & S2≠ɸ
False: it means that Set 1 has a last point where next points are away by an infinite time/seconds, but as the next point is separated by an extra 1 second, that point does not exist
4. S1≠ɸ & S2= ɸ
which is the only true and possible option
The conclusion is that
The universe had a finite number of states and had a start or beginning, Time itself had a start as well.
(This part is a proof by perfect induction, analyzing all options and proving that they lead to the same conclusion)
Sorry but you can't apply ordinary algebra to infinite sets. Otherwise, you would get:
∞ + ∞ = ∞
2 ∞ = ∞
therefore, 2 = 1
You can't add, subtract, divide or multiply with infinity, it just gives ridiculous results. With sets, you get {∞} U {∞} = {∞}, etc.
Here's a scenario that illustrates the weirdness of infinity: suppose there is a hotel with an infinite numbers of rooms, all occupied. You show up asking for a vacant room. You would think there is no room for you, but all I have to say is, "everyone moves one room to your right", and presto, there is a vacant room for you.