Proving God Existence

[bennyboy]

Why?
By the way I'm not saying they did both start the event, I'm saying another entity or more could exist and not effected the event.

Go back to my proof, in this case time will exist

Assume two entities A, B pre-existed the Universe
A created the universe, we can say (relating to B) time of A creating the Universe

but according to the proof time didn't exist, i.e. it contradicts with the hypothesis of A,B existing.

Only one entity can exist outside time.

You seem to have a pretty special idea of what it means for something to exist. Normally, to exist is to be locatable in both time and place (for things), or to be experienced as a thought by an individual (this experience also being mediated by time, for without time, there can be no flow of thought). In either case, you have the framework which time provides, and which allows for things to happen-- like new stuff getting made.

Now, perhaps God exists outside of our own particular framework; maybe he lives in meta-time, where he is free to arrange as many universes as he likes. However, if he is NOT said to be dependent on any framework, then the obvious answer is that he exists as a thought, and is therefore (as all thoughts are) dependent on the pre-existence of time for His own existence. And if he IS dependent on any framework, then why does that framework happen to exist? Now you will need a meta-God to explain the existence of meta-time.

Saying that ANY thing exists without a framework in which to exist is not a religious idea-- it's a refusal to let "exist" mean what it means.