RE: Proving God Existence
May 30, 2013 at 7:33 am
(This post was last modified: May 30, 2013 at 7:41 am by Muslim Scholar.)
(May 28, 2013 at 9:37 am)bennyboy Wrote: If you want to say something exists, then it must be locatable in some dimension or framework.Can you prove that?
Quote: However, anything so locatable must be a CHILD to the framework which contains it. Forget time, even your special variant of it. If God preceeds all frameworks, of all types, then in what sense does He exist? Will you say "God is the one special entity which can exist independent of any framework?" If so, I read this statement as "God is the one special entity which can exist without existing."His existence is proved by proving the impossibility of his non-existence, that is why there is no need for all of that
The trick is that proving God existence directly will need such conditions, also If God exist he must outside the Universe, i.e. UN-imaginable because we can know only things similar to what we see in the Universe, so I turned around the problem by proving the fallacy of his non-existence
Quote:I can proceed with a bunch of condradictory terms to complement his non-existence existence:Irrelevant as all of these are paradoxes and cannot exist.
-He is the light which is so bright it cannot be seen.
-He is the alpha which is also the omega (thanks Bible).
-He is the manifestation of all that which cannot be manifested.
Quote:But the problem is this: playing with words in this way doesn't do anything but stimulate pot sales.Now, you are playing with words, I used every word for its precise meaning not more not less.
(May 29, 2013 at 4:08 am)little_monkey Wrote: Your premise: S1 is finite.The proposition that S1 is finite is just option of may, I didn't assert that
Your derivation: S1 is not empty, S1 is not infinite.
Your conclusion: therefore S1 is finite.
You can't get more circular than that.
The main conclusion is that S2= ɸ i.e. S2 is empty.
Quote:Isn't it that God is eternal (existed an infinite time in the past, will exist an infinite time in the future)? Isn't he infinitely powerful? Infinitely knowledgeable? Infinitely beneficent?No, god created time so he didn't exist an infinite time before time, because this will be non-sense
He will not exist for an infinite time in the future, because at any point of time we can say he existed for N number of years!
(May 29, 2013 at 6:24 am)paulpablo Wrote:I didn't mean that.Quote:If there are more than one G, then events of one can be related to the other
For example G2 will think when G1 did U, which contradicts with the conclusion, so G must be one.
You don't know what G2 is so how can you know G2 will think when G1 does U.
I mean that events of G1 can be related to G2 and vice versa
i.e. there will exist related events which is proved false.