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Positive Atheism
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RE: Positive Atheism
tackattack Wrote:To be able to demonstrate something spiritual to you, you'd have to allow the possibility that it exists.

Anything is possible.

Quote: I think scientifically religion is approached with skepticism which defeats the possibility of demonstratability.

Approaching something skeptically simply means that you are not going to believe a claim on face value, you demand a level of verification before accepting the claim - This does not in any way defeat the possibility of demonstrability, in fact it makes it an absolute requirement for the claim to be taken seriously. It is the job of the person making the claim to provide the evidence for it and a falsifiable methodology that can be verified as logically sound to allow independent scientists to repeatably test the claim.

The reason this hasn't been done has nothing to do with scientists not being interesting in the topic, it has to do with the fact that no such falsifiable methodology has ever been presented that has met any of the requirements for being called demonstrably true.

Quote: To clarify I define skepticism as disbelief.

You don't get to define a word to suit your argument:

Skep-ti-cism:

A methodology based on an assumption of doubt with the aim of acquiring approximate or relative certainty.

Quote: Therefore if belief is required to acknowledge the spirit and allow it to demonstrate "God's truth" (I just made that phrase up) I don't think it's possible to identify it scientifically.

You could demonstrably infer many of these claims by measuring their effect on observable reality, such as demonstrating the effects of prayer in a situation. Again, you are the ones who need to define the specific claim you are making and what you would predict to observe in reality if that claim is true.
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Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 1, 2009 at 11:01 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 2, 2009 at 12:09 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Overmars - December 2, 2009 at 3:00 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 2, 2009 at 6:31 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 2, 2009 at 11:56 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 2, 2009 at 12:02 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Joe Bloe - December 2, 2009 at 1:28 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 2, 2009 at 1:45 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 2, 2009 at 2:46 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 3, 2009 at 5:49 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 2, 2009 at 5:39 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 2, 2009 at 5:49 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 2, 2009 at 6:18 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 2, 2009 at 6:19 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 2, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 12:09 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 3, 2009 at 3:56 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Amphora - December 3, 2009 at 5:29 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 7, 2009 at 3:34 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 3, 2009 at 5:37 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Amphora - December 3, 2009 at 5:45 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 3, 2009 at 5:51 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 3, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 3, 2009 at 6:11 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 3, 2009 at 6:28 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 1:38 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - January 5, 2010 at 12:26 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 3, 2009 at 9:30 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Meatball - December 3, 2009 at 4:31 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 4:59 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 3, 2009 at 5:05 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 3, 2009 at 4:40 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 3, 2009 at 4:41 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 3, 2009 at 4:46 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 5:14 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 3, 2009 at 5:24 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Autumnlicious - December 3, 2009 at 7:10 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 7:27 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 4, 2009 at 2:38 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 4, 2009 at 5:04 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 4, 2009 at 11:42 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 3, 2009 at 5:06 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 3, 2009 at 5:14 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 3, 2009 at 6:45 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 4, 2009 at 12:15 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Pippy - December 4, 2009 at 3:35 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 7, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 7, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 8, 2009 at 3:18 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Darwinian - December 8, 2009 at 3:22 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by downbeatplumb - December 13, 2009 at 3:44 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 8, 2009 at 5:09 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Craveman - December 10, 2009 at 4:12 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 4:51 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 8, 2009 at 11:11 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 8, 2009 at 6:23 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 8, 2009 at 7:12 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 8, 2009 at 7:23 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 8, 2009 at 7:56 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 9, 2009 at 7:29 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by leo-rcc - December 9, 2009 at 7:36 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Amphora - December 9, 2009 at 9:09 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 9, 2009 at 9:06 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Autumnlicious - December 9, 2009 at 10:06 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 10, 2009 at 2:17 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 10, 2009 at 3:30 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 10, 2009 at 5:24 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 10, 2009 at 9:51 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 10, 2009 at 10:09 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 10:53 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 10, 2009 at 10:59 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 10, 2009 at 11:24 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 11, 2009 at 2:10 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 11, 2009 at 11:23 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 12, 2009 at 12:03 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 8, 2009 at 11:55 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Pippy - December 9, 2009 at 8:33 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 13, 2009 at 5:27 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Pippy - December 9, 2009 at 10:26 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 9, 2009 at 10:41 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 9, 2009 at 10:52 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Amphora - December 9, 2009 at 11:00 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 10, 2009 at 12:37 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 10, 2009 at 11:04 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 11:21 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 10, 2009 at 12:31 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 12, 2009 at 4:21 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 12, 2009 at 4:59 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 12, 2009 at 9:34 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 13, 2009 at 10:37 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 13, 2009 at 3:23 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 14, 2009 at 10:54 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 14, 2009 at 5:09 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 5:29 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 14, 2009 at 6:20 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by LEDO - December 13, 2009 at 10:19 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 13, 2009 at 6:37 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 13, 2009 at 7:26 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 14, 2009 at 2:10 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 14, 2009 at 3:51 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 14, 2009 at 5:26 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 14, 2009 at 4:14 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 4:27 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 15, 2009 at 9:54 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 15, 2009 at 11:35 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 16, 2009 at 9:15 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 16, 2009 at 9:44 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 16, 2009 at 11:03 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 16, 2009 at 11:49 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 16, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 16, 2009 at 2:03 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 16, 2009 at 2:36 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 16, 2009 at 2:55 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 16, 2009 at 3:20 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 16, 2009 at 3:39 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 16, 2009 at 9:29 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 17, 2009 at 10:24 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 17, 2009 at 11:16 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 17, 2009 at 6:49 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Eilonnwy - December 17, 2009 at 12:00 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by rjh4 - December 17, 2009 at 12:28 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 17, 2009 at 5:54 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 17, 2009 at 8:48 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2009 at 8:33 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 17, 2009 at 6:31 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Pippy - December 18, 2009 at 8:11 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 18, 2009 at 8:33 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 18, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 21, 2009 at 8:45 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2009 at 10:50 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 21, 2009 at 10:54 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2009 at 11:06 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 21, 2009 at 12:49 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2009 at 1:44 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 21, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 21, 2009 at 4:10 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 21, 2009 at 7:56 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 21, 2009 at 8:01 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 22, 2009 at 3:12 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 22, 2009 at 8:51 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by theVOID - December 22, 2009 at 9:34 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 22, 2009 at 9:44 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 22, 2009 at 11:46 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 22, 2009 at 9:53 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 22, 2009 at 10:15 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 22, 2009 at 10:19 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 22, 2009 at 10:27 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 22, 2009 at 10:29 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 22, 2009 at 10:36 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 22, 2009 at 10:39 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by fr0d0 - December 22, 2009 at 7:04 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 22, 2009 at 7:07 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 23, 2009 at 3:26 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 23, 2009 at 3:58 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 23, 2009 at 4:21 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 23, 2009 at 5:25 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 23, 2009 at 8:53 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 23, 2009 at 10:10 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 23, 2009 at 10:21 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by tackattack - December 23, 2009 at 12:46 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Edwardo Piet - December 23, 2009 at 2:11 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 23, 2009 at 5:56 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by TruthWorthy - December 30, 2009 at 8:21 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 30, 2009 at 1:04 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 30, 2009 at 1:43 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 30, 2009 at 12:55 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by TruthWorthy - December 30, 2009 at 6:43 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Rhizomorph13 - December 30, 2009 at 8:55 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 30, 2009 at 2:05 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by littlegrimlin1 - December 30, 2009 at 2:34 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 30, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Tiberius - December 30, 2009 at 3:01 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 30, 2009 at 3:08 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Violet - December 30, 2009 at 7:28 pm
RE: Positive Atheism - by Purple Rabbit - December 31, 2009 at 10:12 am
RE: Positive Atheism - by TruthWorthy - December 31, 2009 at 7:02 pm



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