RE: Childhood indoctrination
June 2, 2013 at 8:03 am
(This post was last modified: June 2, 2013 at 8:09 am by Forbinator.)
Oh wow. Suggesting that vegans want equal rights for all animals is a serious strawman argument and oversimplification.
To help you understand, let's make an analogy to humans. I believe that all women should have the right to have free pap smears and mammograms as part of their overall health, but I wouldn't campaign for their rights to have free regular prostate exams. The key here is not equal rights, but equal consideration of interests. There is no evidence to suggest that one gender has more of an interest in being healthy than the other, but there are differences between the genders that would mean their rights should not be exactly equal.
A cow has an interest in continuing her existence, as evidenced by her survival instinct, which is measurable by secretion of hormones in times of stress (catecholamines and corticosteroids) just as for humans. There is no reason why this interest is less valid than the corresponding interest that I have in continuing my existence. Chickens have an interest in having a place to dust-bathe (but I wouldn't advocate equal rights to humans in this regard as we don't share that interest) and humans have an interest in achieving a high school education (again, equal education rights for chickens would be absurd as they don't have this interest).
To help you understand, let's make an analogy to humans. I believe that all women should have the right to have free pap smears and mammograms as part of their overall health, but I wouldn't campaign for their rights to have free regular prostate exams. The key here is not equal rights, but equal consideration of interests. There is no evidence to suggest that one gender has more of an interest in being healthy than the other, but there are differences between the genders that would mean their rights should not be exactly equal.
A cow has an interest in continuing her existence, as evidenced by her survival instinct, which is measurable by secretion of hormones in times of stress (catecholamines and corticosteroids) just as for humans. There is no reason why this interest is less valid than the corresponding interest that I have in continuing my existence. Chickens have an interest in having a place to dust-bathe (but I wouldn't advocate equal rights to humans in this regard as we don't share that interest) and humans have an interest in achieving a high school education (again, equal education rights for chickens would be absurd as they don't have this interest).
(June 2, 2013 at 7:56 am)The Germans are coming Wrote:Perhaps the issue was that you ate less, rather being about what you ate. Did you at least get a blood test to find out what you were deficient in so you could correct it? Plenty of calcium in leafy greens (since you say your bones were disintegrating), and the idea that cow secretions protect against osteoporosis is a myth; the rates of osteoporosis are highest in regions that consume higher quantities of dairy (see "The China Study" among other studies), and confounding variables have not been identified. Certainly we don't have the evidence to say that dairy decreases osteoporosis rates.(June 2, 2013 at 7:52 am)Forbinator Wrote: That's absurd. All the nutrients we need are available in plant-based food, but with more anti-oxidants, less cholesterol and fewer carcinogens. I've met hundreds of vegans in the animal rights movement here in Melbourne who are very healthy, many of whom have been vegan for 15+ years. There is so much information on the internet about which foods contain which nutrients that there really is no excuse for being deficient. Even if you only eat junk food, worst-case scenario is taking a vitamin pill. No need to enslave animals.
I started to eat less, lost a dangerous amount of weight and had to stop after my bones showed signs that they were starting do desintegrate, aswell as my teeth.
Other than that, I got really ichy skin.