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What does an atheist...
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RE: What does an atheist...
tackattack Wrote:
theVOID Wrote:Yet you have no problem calling him loving in previous posts?
I'm pretty sure I've actually tried not to call him loving on Love. I've defined repeatedly that I feel God's Love is different than th terms we define as the emotion or act of love here on earth.

Then what is God's love?

Quote:I don't understand your wording. Could you please define "the idea of a personal god"

A personal God is typically defined as god who answers prayers, which you believe he does, which means he cannot be indifferent and therefore choses directly to help some people through prayer but obviously doesn't care about starving babies.

Quote:My point was man does this to his fellow man. He may use God as an excuse for going to war, feeding the hungry, etc. but good or bad; we do it to ourseleves.

That is directly contradictory of what you said earlier, which i quote:

"Just because he doesn't stop your suffering, your diseases, etc. doesn't mean he doesn't supply that to others"

So you either believe that God helps some people and not others, or you believe he's indifferent. You seem to constantly flipflop on this point, so can you answer me directly, is god indifferent or does he help some people and not innocent babies?
Quote:It takes far more humility to admit that we are lucky than it does to suppose we're divine.

Quote:I like the last line but let me try and get my head around this. How do you factor free-will and cause and affect into (for lack of a better term" this theory of coincedence?

From our current understanding of Quantum Indeterminacy, even if you knew the state of everything in the universe you would still be unable to make predictions without probability and since Determinism cannot be random, i can conclude that there is only really free will. Due to the inherent randomness in the universe, even from a single cause that happened the same way each time you cannot expect that two instances will result in identical chains, in fact you would expect the differences over time to snowball into notably different systems.

The Christian view of free will i see as being problematic. As Christopher Hitchens puts it: "God gave you free will, you have no choice in the matter"
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What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 8, 2009 at 4:05 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 8, 2009 at 4:07 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 8, 2009 at 4:31 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 8, 2009 at 5:07 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by leo-rcc - December 8, 2009 at 4:41 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 8, 2009 at 5:15 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by leo-rcc - December 8, 2009 at 5:25 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 8, 2009 at 8:17 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by leo-rcc - December 8, 2009 at 8:38 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 8, 2009 at 8:57 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 8, 2009 at 5:58 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 8, 2009 at 5:28 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by leo-rcc - December 8, 2009 at 5:32 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Darwinian - December 8, 2009 at 5:31 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 8, 2009 at 5:34 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by LEDO - December 8, 2009 at 9:07 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 8, 2009 at 9:20 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by littlegrimlin1 - December 8, 2009 at 11:49 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 9, 2009 at 4:04 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 9, 2009 at 6:07 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 9, 2009 at 7:15 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 9, 2009 at 7:21 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 9, 2009 at 8:07 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 9, 2009 at 8:11 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 9, 2009 at 6:52 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 9, 2009 at 8:51 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Amphora - December 9, 2009 at 10:29 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 6:39 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 10, 2009 at 8:20 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 11:16 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 10, 2009 at 11:29 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Amphora - December 10, 2009 at 2:43 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 11:36 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 10, 2009 at 11:42 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Rhizomorph13 - December 10, 2009 at 12:14 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Violet - December 10, 2009 at 2:50 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by leo-rcc - December 10, 2009 at 5:45 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Rhizomorph13 - December 10, 2009 at 7:56 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by leo-rcc - December 11, 2009 at 5:24 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 11, 2009 at 6:03 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 5:26 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 10, 2009 at 6:01 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 10, 2009 at 9:02 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 11, 2009 at 1:44 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Amphora - December 10, 2009 at 9:07 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Edwardo Piet - December 10, 2009 at 5:52 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Minimalist - December 11, 2009 at 2:31 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 11, 2009 at 4:53 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 11, 2009 at 8:17 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 11, 2009 at 8:29 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 12, 2009 at 10:54 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Purple Rabbit - December 12, 2009 at 12:08 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 12, 2009 at 6:24 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 12, 2009 at 9:09 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by chatpilot - December 12, 2009 at 2:28 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 13, 2009 at 1:49 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 13, 2009 at 2:26 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Tiberius - December 13, 2009 at 2:29 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Purple Rabbit - December 13, 2009 at 6:18 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 13, 2009 at 7:19 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Ace Otana - December 13, 2009 at 4:54 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 13, 2009 at 6:48 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 13, 2009 at 3:51 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by LEDO - December 13, 2009 at 9:53 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 13, 2009 at 10:51 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Tiberius - December 13, 2009 at 3:08 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 13, 2009 at 4:19 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 14, 2009 at 4:33 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 4:49 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 14, 2009 at 5:30 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 5:54 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by LEDO - December 14, 2009 at 8:43 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 15, 2009 at 2:31 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by LEDO - December 15, 2009 at 8:10 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 16, 2009 at 1:52 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by leo-rcc - December 16, 2009 at 4:51 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 16, 2009 at 5:55 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by leo-rcc - December 16, 2009 at 7:04 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by LEDO - December 19, 2009 at 12:22 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by downbeatplumb - December 13, 2009 at 3:50 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Violet - December 13, 2009 at 7:41 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Tiberius - December 13, 2009 at 9:02 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by leo-rcc - December 14, 2009 at 5:15 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 14, 2009 at 4:56 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 5:27 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 14, 2009 at 5:40 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 5:45 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 14, 2009 at 7:27 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 8:24 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Ace Otana - December 14, 2009 at 7:34 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 14, 2009 at 7:35 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 7:49 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 14, 2009 at 8:11 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 8:29 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 14, 2009 at 8:32 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 8:47 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Tiberius - December 14, 2009 at 9:40 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 14, 2009 at 9:47 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 15, 2009 at 6:55 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by theVOID - December 15, 2009 at 8:24 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 16, 2009 at 2:44 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Tiberius - December 16, 2009 at 2:53 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by chatpilot - December 15, 2009 at 9:35 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Violet - December 15, 2009 at 7:15 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by leo-rcc - December 15, 2009 at 7:19 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 15, 2009 at 7:41 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Minimalist - December 16, 2009 at 2:25 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 16, 2009 at 3:31 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Rhizomorph13 - December 16, 2009 at 9:36 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by chatpilot - December 17, 2009 at 2:24 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by tackattack - December 17, 2009 at 2:37 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 17, 2009 at 4:49 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Rhizomorph13 - December 17, 2009 at 8:47 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 17, 2009 at 9:02 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by chatpilot - December 18, 2009 at 12:39 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 18, 2009 at 6:36 am
RE: What does an atheist... - by Amphora - December 18, 2009 at 4:55 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by chatpilot - December 18, 2009 at 5:21 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by fr0d0 - December 18, 2009 at 5:37 pm
RE: What does an atheist... - by Amphora - December 18, 2009 at 5:52 pm

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