Childhood indoctrination

[KichigaiNeko]

As my favourite western philosopher said:
"We don't only owe the animals compassion, we also owe them justice."

We are flat out bring "justice" to ourselves. What sort of "justice" do you hope to "bring" to food animals?

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So Forbinator, you are objecting to the religious indoctrination of "dominion over the earth"?

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And yet you happily slay vegetation with gay abandon...

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So we are not talking about vegetarianism/ veganism but about the qualitative line that humans have drawn between themselves and every other animal?

Bullseye, but of course the issue is very, very tightly coupled to our behaviour as consumers. Once you remove the dogmatic line between human and non-human animals that comes from millenia of Christian indoctrination (among other things), I think it is just the logical next step to question our perception of meat and animal products in general.

A nice little ideology there but unhelpful.

The "perception of meat" is a very real consideration towards the health of a people. As rebcox has stated. I am also unable to utilise the various "nutrients" from vegetation to sustain optimal health. Then of course it comes down to the state of the soils as Rhythm has tried to show you. The degradation of an ecosystem is more profound when well meaning "vegan/vegetarian" let loose domestic animals into the environment, it is much more noticeable here in Oz I guess but as Rhythm has pointed out (in the GMO thread I think) vegan/vegetarianism is just as destructive as meat producing animals.

As for clothing, you can't beat leather for durability and biodegradability, same with wool and cotton and silk. Your synthetics come from Petroleum exploration and exploitation and the degradation of the environment twenty fold more than using animal based products. Plus of course the greater amount of energy (more degradation) utilised in producing the fibres that you seek to clothe yourself with.

The thought bubble of "using convicted criminals as meat" has merit but then this also will lead you to a conflict of conscience. Either way you are screwed. I would like to point you to whateverist's comment... you are part of this ecosystem called planet earth. Get over yourself and get on with living.

I Agree with your sentiments that cruelty (especially in the form of Kosher and Halal) killing of livestock is unacceptable .... to me it is nothing more that puny little man-thing conquering nature

Which I am to understand is the main thrust of your argument ...it is not a millennia of indoctrination, it is more likely 1.5 million years of trying to out smart and survive on a planet that is out to kill you if it can. Please stop anthropomorphising everything and get out of the nursery.