Childhood indoctrination

[Forbinator]

You've stated that we are superior to animals, based this on your own standards of superiority (anthropocentrism), and used it to justify victimisation of entire groups. How is this not bigotry?

Wrong.

I based the argument of supiriority of the human species on the achievements of the human spiecies! And not not the fact that we are differnt from animals you liar! If these are not the standards, then what is?! It is not bigotry because if it were than every single carnivor on the planet is a biggot.

Whatever standards you use, they are yours. Calling yourself superior has never justified harming others, at least not in civilised society. I'm asking you why the fact that they're animals changes this, and you keep telling me it's because they're animals.

And you continue to apply naturalistic fallacy in your reference to carnivores being bigots...

As for our civilisation, we have already applied standards from our civilisation to animals, as is seen in laws we currently have against senseless cruelty to animals. The difference is that veganism applies these standards to animals all the time, not just when it's convenient. Why accept any level of cruelty?

We have applied these standards on animals for our own good to be a productive society in our interactions with animals. Not because we "love" them.

"Love" has nothing to do with it, and I don't think any of us have mentioned it. Seems like another straw man to me. Application of justice however, that is important, particularly given that we already have certain basic animal cruelty laws that apply a type of justice in favour of animals. Your wording of using them to be "productive" is just a restatement of it being convenient to use them, and society only sticking to its ethics when it's convenient to do so.