(June 3, 2013 at 7:22 am)Forbinator Wrote:(June 3, 2013 at 7:14 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Wrong.Whatever standards you use, they are yours. Calling yourself superior has never justified harming others, at least not in civilised society. I'm asking you why the fact that they're animals changes this, and you keep telling me it's because they're animals.
I based the argument of supiriority of the human species on the achievements of the human spiecies! And not not the fact that we are differnt from animals you liar! If these are not the standards, then what is?! It is not bigotry because if it were than every single carnivor on the planet is a biggot.
And you continue to apply naturalistic fallacy in your reference to carnivores being bigots...
Quote:We have applied these standards on animals for our own good to be a productive society in our interactions with animals. Not because we "love" them."Love" has nothing to do with it, and I don't think any of us have mentioned it. Seems like another straw man to me. Application of justice however, that is important, particularly given that we already have certain basic animal cruelty laws that apply a type of justice in favour of animals. Your wording of using them to be "productive" is just a restatement of it being convenient to use them, and society only sticking to its ethics when it's convenient to do so.
And yet here you are claiming the morally superior "High ground" You are starting to look very hypocritical Fornicator. liken unto a religion perhaps?
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