(June 2, 2013 at 1:11 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Christians claim to get their morals from God and the bible. But they clearly pick and choose the good stuff from the bad in the bible. They like the part where jesus feeds the 5000 but overlook and ignore all the slavery, genocide, murders and rape. To choose as they do, from the bible, they would need an already existing and separate set of morals. Does this not prove that they don't get their morals from god?
-or- Perhaps Feeding the 5000 was not meant to be looked at as an act of compassion, but as proof of deity. And, the 'sins against soceity' you have listed, in of themselves are not the always evil you think them to be. For in the proper context God has allowed all of these things.
What makes these acts wrong is not the act it self but doing these things without God's concent or command.
Quote:I think I heard this argument somewhere on youtube but cannot remember who said it so I cannot give credit where it is due. Just wondered what Christians would say to this. And don't you dare say: God is so ingrained into society that we follow his morals without even knowing they are his morals. Because that is bullshit.
I did a thread on what actual morality is. Here is the OP to that thread:
I have posted this definition several times in past posts.
Morality is man's attempt to establish a righteous standard based on the sin he or the society he lives in is willing to except Incorporated into that standard.
Morality is not true Righteousness or God's Righteousness. God's Righteousness is a sinless standard no one can achieve.
Morality says: It is ok to lie to save your friend's life.
Righteousness says: it is always a sin to lie no matter what the reason.
God's righteousness is absolute, and never changes.
Man's Morality is on a sliding scale always identified by the lessor of two evils.
That said know that 'morality' is not the universal standard of good. Morality is a constantly changing to suit the the personal or civil righteousness of a community of people. What once was moral could now be considered a crime, and vise versa.
I say that to help those looking to frame questions based on "morality." Most of the time it is used an absolute standard when in fact it is not. Morality is infact a righteousness based on one's self or soceity. Christ identified Man's morality as Self Righteousness.
