Childhood indoctrination

[Forbinator]

Whoopty-Fucking-Doo. That's mulesing. Yeah it aint that pretty, and yes it causes the sheep some short-term temporary pain. Get over it. If it's a choice between that and flystrike I choose mulesing, obviously

This is an obvious false dichotomy, which you and KichigaiNeko repeatedly posted. A. we don't need to farm the sheep in the first place, and B. there are humane alternatives to mulesing which some farmers actually use.

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No, of course not, and I'm not arguing to produce these overbred animals and then leave them alone, just don't produce them in the first place. The question really is: Do you really want to support an industry that produces millions of these overbred animals who are not able to survive unless we mutilate them? The best answer is and remains: No, just don't buy it until they get their act together.

OK, I know I said this ages ago, so let's try again now. Let's say that I accept that there is a valid ethical argument. Now let's consider the environmental argument. Many of the uses that wool has - for instance as a hard-wearing textile fabric (as used on chairs, lounges, etc) cannot be matched with cotton or synthetics. Said fabrics do not pass rub tests - I'm sure you're aware of this - they simply do not last as long as wool. Now your main two alternatives to this are vinyl and leather. I actually don't know the difference in durability between vinyl and leather, however what I do know is that leather folds and vinyl doesn't. In other words, vinyl is fucking uncompfortable! Now what I simply don't understand is that you know there is a huge advantage to wool - environmentally - and yet you oppose it only on the grounds of ethics, as if the environmental concerns are not important!

Alternatives to wool include cotton, polyester, synthetic shearling, Tencel and Polartec Wind Pro. I have a jumper made of 100% acrylic which feels just like wool, and has lasted me for 10 years and counting. Now here you get a choice: do you want to claim that wool is superior because it lasts a long time, or because it degrades easily? You can't claim both as they are contradictions! Wool requires machinery to process, and requires more land clearance to grow, so I remain unconvinced that wool is environmentally preferable to acrylics unless you provide a valid source.

And look, a vegan couch: http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/S89873843/