Childhood indoctrination

[littleendian]

I would say you are still trying to remove yourself from the food chain Forbi and set yourself up as "lord and master" complete with religious overtones.

A master is who has power over someone else, which is exactly what a meat eater exerts, power over someone elses life.

Justify religion then. Why should an omnivore justify the way they want to live to you?

Not doing something doesn't require a justification (in this context), doing something krass like killing an animal however does require justification. We are talking about whether there even IS a reasonable justification, whether you feel you owe it to anyone or not doesn't enter into it.

Not necessarily so. Have you read Rudolph Steiner?

Yes. There is life in the soil, and if that life is doing good then there's no need for significant amount of fertilizer to grow something. That this is not a possible way of doing "Big Ag" in a larger scale has not been shown and until it's done so I would assume it's feasible. Steiner's given some great impulses, and by the way if you have read him you will know he believes mankind will evolve towards vegetarianism. That aside (or maybe included for you), he had some very strange ideas as well...

This is where you show you complete lack of understanding of biology, evolutionary theory, genetic theory, germ theory and your place on this planet.

I would argue as humans we define our place on the planet, it's animals and savages who are locked in their given ecosystem and behaviors.

Have you not seen how chimpanzees (our closest relatives) delight in cannibalism for their share of meat protein?

These are isolated cases, just as you can find with many species including humans, which weren't caused by need for "protein" but rather pathological behaviour or survival conditions, just as you would call someone eating another human (without starving) "insane".

However, I do thank everyone, including Kichi and Rhythm, for raising my awareness about potential environmental considerations that I wasn't aware of, I will certainly look into those. These raise some questions about one aspect of the issue, while I do hold most of the good reasons for veganism still stand.