RE: False perceptions about Atheism and Agnosticism
June 7, 2013 at 7:07 pm
(This post was last modified: June 7, 2013 at 7:13 pm by Ryantology.)
(June 7, 2013 at 5:45 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: That’s total non-sense. Christian-theism is provable, but even if it weren’t that does not mean weak-atheism is superior to it because weak atheism is not logically defensible because it incorrectly asserts that there is a default position on such matters. Believe me, fi anything I am doing you a favor by trying to get you to correctly define your position.
Then, I expect you'll have no trouble proving it for everybody. I'll wait.
Why is the assertion that atheism is a default position incorrect? Demonstrate the fact that people have religious beliefs at birth.
Quote:They value the use of correct definitions? I do not blame them.
You value the use of an uncommon definition, and only because it supports your position.
Quote:Oh brother, a-sexual-ism would be the belief in no sexuality, just like a-moral-ism would be the belief in no morality. You’re trying to argue that the prefix of the word modifies the suffix of the word rather than the element, which is downright laughable. Learn your English.
'Asexualism' would be the lack of belief in or practice of sexuality. 'Amoralism' would be a lack of belief in or practice of morals. 'Atheism' is the lack of belief in gods or practice of believing in them. If the term 'asocialist' existed, would that automatically mean that asocialism indicates a positive adherence to an opposing system, or the belief that socialism certainly doesn't exist? Both would be stupid assertions, so of course not.
Quote:Nope, because the “a” is not modifying belief (-ism), so you still have a belief, it’s a belief in (atheos) no god.
Lack of belief in God. No belief in God. The prefix a- does not indicate a definite belief in a lack of god. Since there's no term for this, there are the terms 'positive' and 'negative' atheism to differentiate. There exists no term to describe what you think atheism is, probably because there are very few positive atheists out there.
The University of Cambridge Wrote:Definition of Atheism
“...the exact meaning of 'atheist' varies between thinkers and caution must always be shown to make sure that discussions of atheism are not working at cross purposes. ”
Atheism is a complex term to define, and many definitions fail to capture the range of positions an atheist can hold. Perhaps the most obvious meaning to many people now is the absence or rejection of a belief in a God, or gods. However, it has been used through much of history to denote certain beliefs seen as heretical, particularly the belief that God does not intervene in the world. More recently, atheists have argued that atheism only denotes a lack of theistic belief, rather than the active denial or claims of certainty it is often associated with. This is held to follow from its etymology: it stems from the Greek adjective atheos, deriving from the alpha privative a -,'without, not', and 'theos', 'God'. It is not clear, however, that this could not equally mean 'godless' in the earlier sense as meaning a heretical or immoral person.
Going by this, neither of us may be wrong, though your attempt to deny our self-definition is evidence that your goal is to define us according to your own opinions rather than to clarify the term. Language evolves, after all. Does the term 'gay' not mean 'homosexual' just because it once didn't?