(June 10, 2013 at 3:51 am)littleendian Wrote:(June 10, 2013 at 3:09 am)cato123 Wrote: One of them must be the start and creating it must be the first event from a single unique God.Plus, there's not necessarily a "first" thing in the universe that exists outside of our minds. Depending on the metaphysical world-view you subscribe to one can argue that time and space only exist relative to our minds, they don't have substance in and of themselfs, they are the categories our mind produces to make sense of the timeless, spaceless (?) Thing-in-itself (as old Kant called it) that is the cause of our sense-perceptions.
If you take that (to me ever again goosebump-inducing) view, to which the wise people of the east had more intuitive access, calling it the veil of the Maya, if you really understand the implications of that idea, then there is no beginning and no end, no here nor there, that exists outside of our consciousness, i.e. has "real" physical reality.
Therefore, no God necessary to get the entire show going because no beginning and no end outside of the mind.
Philosophy and particularly meta-physics should be mandatory reading in school, one idea would be to replace bible study, good riddance
I find it amusing that someone that goes out of his/her way to translate logical fallacies into 'thou shalt' statements in his/her profile will fuck up something as simple as quote attribution.